Supreme Court strikes down contraception law

Who said I was applying that characterization exclusively to women? Well, okay, less important than who says I applied it that way is the one guy who's saying I didn't: Me.

Also, not to burst anybody's Outrage Bubble, but here are some inconvenient

This is the part that cracks me up:

In a shaking my head sort of way.

I knew there was a cow patty in there somewhere.

I should'a remembered to light it on fahr so's you'd step in it.

I'm sorry I put words in your mouth. Reading more on the subject, it seems Hobby Lobby's problem is with IUDs and morning after pills. They're perfectly ok with people fucking like stray dogs while on the pill and paying for it. Never mind.

edit: still, I don't agree with giving Hobby Lobby license to make medical decisions for a woman that should be between her and her doctor. I don't agree with the broader implications of the court's decision.

And what prevents similar companies from doing the same but not approving any contraceptives?

That sounds like a mess. I'm a fan of the Netherlands system.

God prevents it.

Oh -- or, wait, nothing. Yeah, that seems more likely -- nothing prevents it. Welcome to the world. It's wide open, it's cold, and it doesn't give a fuck about anybody. Your parents were supposed to prepare you for that and equip you to confront those facts. Guess they were too busy being your "bro" and "sis" to do that job, though.

That's exactly my point, the facts you threw out aren't relevant because now there's nothing to prevent others from doing the same.

If you don't want to live in a world made for and by predators, you're a commie, and half-a-fag.

The reasoning would be that the Hobby Lobby retirement portfolio's are a wide range of investments that are not directly chosen or administered by Hobby Lobby itself, while the health care insurance offered by the company is a direct choice of the family that owns it.

Bullshit. I agree it's hard, perhaps impossible to completely divest, but they could end direct investment if they cared enough about the issue.

And I'm still waiting for your response to my questions in this post.

I'd say that if someone lives in a town big enough to have a Hobby Lobby, in all likelihood the town is big enough to have a free clinic or two.

All of them.

Yes, because its so easy to find someone willing to take you potentially hundreds of miles, potentially risk vandalism to their vehicle, and spend an entire day just so a woman can get looked at by a clinic.

Speaking as someone who doesn't have a car, I can say that its goddamned hard to get anywhere even when you have access to some form of mass transit as I do. Then there's the issue of having to take off from your low-wage job to deal with the matter.

Way to miss the point. The fundamental principle of Christianity, regardless of which branch you belong to is that humans are Fallen creatures and thus are incapable of being perfect all of the time. If you're a Protestant, then you believe that the only perfect human was Jesus, if you're a Catholic, then you believe that the only perfect humans were the Virgin Mary and Jesus. Therefore, it is irrational, on that basis, to believe that humans are going to be capable of avoiding sin, thus the compassionate solution is not to bury your head in the sand and say, "Well, they'll figure out a way around it somehow." but to recognize that, as Fallen individuals, humans are going to make all kinds of mistakes, and that the compassionate thing to do is to forgive that individual for their failings, and try to minimize the harm which comes from their failings. Unless, of course, you think allowing a kid to broil to death in a car, or be abandoned in a dumpster, is preferable to aborting them in the womb, or providing the mother with options like IUDs (that apparently Hobby Lobby have an issue with).

I wasn't aware that IUDs were available OTC.

So, are their IUDs which can be self-inserted? I'm not aware of any.

Really? You think that's the case? When the boss says quite clearly what kinds of birth control they won't pay for?

So, you're okay, with a company saying they won't provide coverage for services which a doctor deems necessary for a patient, because of religious beliefs.

Only if you believe that a woman's reproductive rights are somehow separate from her overall health.

You want to place money on that? There's your "abortion" clinics in TN (last I heard, no clinic in TN actually provides abortions, they merely give advice about them). You'll notice there's only two. There's 9 Hobby Lobby's within 100 miles of my location. If you want to add Planned Parenthood locations (assuming there's no overlap), it raises the total locations to 6. Of course, there's potentially more Hobby Lobby locations in TN than what I've pulled up, but I think that I've managed to prove my point.

Because no pharmacist has ever refused to sell Morning After Pills. Oh, wait.

And its perfectly fine for a minimum wage worker to pay for those costs out of her own pocket, while a guy like Donald Sterling no doubt has his Viagra costs paid for by the insurance company.

Interesting. In my state Hobby Lobbys are mostly located in towns with populations of 50,000 or greater.

We have one here and we're about 22,000. I'm not sure what the free clinic situation is, though. (I know we have one, I just don't know what services are offered.)

There are companies that do just what you are talking about.

Obamacare was never about providing the people of the United States with healthcare. Like virtually every other politician in the US today, Obama, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party seek to control the people.

The point is not about being blocked from accessing it, the point is that a for profit corporation is being allowed to discriminate against women based solely on the religious beliefs of the employer, which have been shown to be inconsistently held.

Nope. You keep handwaving away my responses.

Except that pharmacies often have broader business hours than free clinics do. The closest thing to a free clinic for health services in my area, is open the following hours:

I've used them many times, and they do, when possible, provide free medication to their patients. However, you'll notice that their hours are vastly different than those of a pharmacy at a national chain like Walmart. The only day when the local Walmart pharmacy isn't open to 9 PM is Sunday. Hobby Lobby is closed on Sundays, and the pharmacy at the local Wallyworld is open until 6 PM. No need to take a day off. Especially, if you're running in and picking up something like a pill, which can be phoned in by your doctor. IUDs, which you continually ignore, are a different matter entirely, and require, AFAIK, a medical professional to insert them. Be nice if that was covered by insurance, so that the employee is only out a day's pay (at most) and not a day's pay and the cost of the IUD.

If you can't afford it without insurance picking up part of the cost (as most low wage employees need insurance to help them pay for such things), then it might as well be the boss rummaging around in their uterus.

Keep telling yourself that.

It really all depends upon where you're located as to what services you have available to you and at what cost. Even when you have good insurance. A friend of mine works in the IT department for a world class hospital, and has a potentially life-threatening condition. He had to travel to another state to find a doctor who was familiar with his condition (and its not exceedingly rare). Imsurance picked up the tab, but you'd have thought that it was something he could have gotten looked at locally.

Let's not forget that Hobby Lobby covers 16 out of the 20 contraceptions mandated by ACA. But to the far left, that's not good enough.

And sometimes break.

But not the IUD. Some women can't take the pill.

Assuming you can afford to take the next day off. Not every hourly employee gets sick pay.

Except for the IUD and who's going to pick up the tab for the morning after pill when a condom breaks.

And your point being? Faulty logic is faulty logic.

Not according to the dissenting justices, and they outweigh any of us internet wankers.

You keep saying that, while failing to address things like the IUD and broken condoms.