Ten dead in Boulder, Colorado

I think OF raises a fair point. I can't answer for everyone, but as for myself--I EXPECT inner city violence. It happens with depressing regularity. Shame on me for that. But if (when) so called mass shootings begin to happen with the same regularity, I'll probably get inured to them too. But like @Ten Lubak said, the fact gun violence happens so often is a sign of something being very wrong in America--and since I don't dismiss sociology out of hand, maybe we need to work on these issues as a society.

So have your gotcha points, OF. Good for you. Now let's talk about what we can do to start helping, instead of criticizing and shrugging.

Either way, the best solution is to restrict guns.

You want us to list every gun crime? That's not practical. We will use mass shootings as a springboard for discussion.

Or would you prefer not to talk about it?

Gang violence? Well, I haven’t read every thread ever posted here. But gang violence has been an issue for decades. I’m pretty sure I started a thread years ago regarding a woman who walked out of a grocery store and was killed in the cross fire of gun violence. She was pregnant and her husband and two year old child watched it the whole thing, helpless, from their car.
Do you imagine “the left” doesn’t care about gang violence?

Or are you just asking about the summer of 2020 specifically? In which case, A) there was no indication the riots over the summer were instigated by “gang violence”. B) all violence during the protests *was* denounced by left leaning posters. And C) you, oldfella, ghost echo, Paladin, forbin have no grounds to stand on if you argue in favor of white police killing young black men but cry about black men doing the opposite.

Also, if you want to have a serious discussion about gun violence, you have to acknowledge the murder of Trayvon Martin. Otherwise, it’s not about guns, but the skin color of the victims.

Don’t look now, but you’re arguing for gun control.

Make that "...by way of confining violent people," and I'm in.

Guns have also saved lives. Are those incidents not suitable springboards? If so, you could just skip to the end of that train of thought, "Sorry, but for the greater good, you must be disarmed and rendered unable to resist this enormous man about to rob/rape/murder/rape again you."

Never seems to come up in these "best" solutions.

I'm not shrugging - I'm not a violent person (and prison sucks) so I can't wrap my mind around going ape shit with a gun.
But we already have THOUSANDS of gun laws - 50 states worth plus federal and local - so making more will not solve the problem. It will just make people feel like they are solving the problem.
I would push for more mental health resources (limits the crazy) and longer prison sentences for violent felons (limits the criminals) rather than make more gun laws that will rarely be followed by crazy people and criminals. Forbin, Anc, Shooter, Burger King, MAOHS, etc.etc. shouldn't have their gun rights infringed upon because I will bet the farm that none of them will ever commit a gun crime and everyone here would agree with me.

Anyway a little off topic but check out this graph:

Maybe it's shock

Maybe it's also what scares people

Wordforge threads. Any time period. Must feature a similar parade of asshats and their alternating refrains of "look what a goddamn beacon of human goodness I am" and "you are a terrible person for not repeating my opinions back to me."

yeah....FEAR! Great tool for controlling people * isn't it?

* some people, but not all by any means

cuz “the right” never behaves that way.

You know I’m not Tamar and will not comb through the threads looking for that needle in a haystack, but you know I’ll will and have denounced gang violence just as quickly as any other gun related crime.

I found these two bits of information interesting.
The suspect's family knew he was suffering from mental illness.

And mass shootings had been on the decline prior to last year.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/colorado-marks-latest-mass-tragedy-10-killed-76623234
So tell me how this could have been prevented with sensible gun control legislation?

Seems like this part, the part where it seems to me the principles of limited, small, local governance might have prevented this.

So in this particular instance, state and federal laws are negatively impacting local municipalities which should be allowed to make their own laws and regulations when it comes to gun control, among many other things, IMO.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/in...local-control-stop-mass-shootings/6965452002/
More at the links provided.

This is bullshit. My biggest argument against guns is fragile white men with anger issues with histories of domestic violence.

Here’s a stat for you, nearly half of all women murdered, die at the hands of a boyfriend or husband.

And that’s why I want serious gun control legislation.

I just heard a great....great! Comment on the news in a discussion about gun control:

"why is it when a muslim jihadist blows up a building full of people the left says (and rightly so) "don't judge all muslims by what one bad one does" but yet when one gun owner shoots up the joint the left doesn't say "don't judge all gun owners by what one bad one does"? What say you wordforge?

Never said they weren’t. That particular post was just me referencing, as stated, “my biggest argument” for gun control.

wrong graph! Sorry, this negates your "fragile white men" comment. Blacks are mass killers too.
• Mass shootings by shooter’s race in the U.S. 2021 | Statista

It is a fair point and it is about low hanging fruit/picking one's battles IMHO. I think the difference between the background noise of every day gun violence and most, but not all mass shootings isn't so much the body count as the type of weapon used. The vast, vast, VAST majority of violent gun crime involves handguns, I would even go so far as to say probably the majority (though maybe a slim one) of mass shootings also involve hand guns...but nobody talks about banning hand guns. Long guns in general, on the other hand, are hardly ever involved in gun violence...statistically speaking at least. More people are beaten to death bare handed than killed by long guns, but when they do...and especially if they're ARs, they get all the press, and everyone talks about banning them. It may be irrational, but it's the way it is.

Because one needs to be said. The other does not.

Not sure about you specifically, but many posters here have said things along the lines of “nuke the sandbox” and claim Islam is an evil religion. You do not here a member of the majority say “all white people”.

We're in agreement (except for your racism) so I will paraphrase: men with domestic violence issues are a problem - so stop releasing violent men from prison back into society!
BTW it's already against the law for somebody convicted of domestic violence to purchase a firearm. But for some UNGODLY, UNKNOWN reason violent felons don't give a shit about breaking the law, and borrow, steal or illegally purchase guns from another criminal. Shocking, I know!

That's why you are kicked out of the military if you are convicted of domestic violence - if you can't tote a gun on the job, the military can't use you - hit the bricks, buddy!
Yeah that "fragile white men with anger issues" is a bullshit racist comment. Lived in a black neighborhood lately?

Yeah hand gun ban would be more effective.

Any ideas for a less restrictive measure?

That law was overturned by a Republican Congress. Look it up. I’ll wait.

Talk about not thinking things through.

Gun owners shouldn't be condemned for the actions of a few any more than Muslims should. But the social symptoms that cause gun violence and terrorism should be.

But that's too much work, apparently.

This is incredible. @Uncle Albert is actually trying to take the foot out of @oldfella1962's mouth and place it in his own.

Old news, but universal background checks. I'm also open to red flag laws as long as there is some sort of due process.

yes, that's the way it is and the anti-gun people seem to have no interest in facts, statistics, or even educating themselves in any meaningful way about firearms in general. And the political parties serving the anti-gun people want to keep it that way and are doing a damn good job of it I must say. Funny the left says "follow the science" but only when it's suits their purposes.

Lose the avatar?

This shouldn't be a partisan issue but...duh. America.

Neither one of us has their foot in their mouth. Perhaps you have shit in your ears and you only hear some of what is said - or maybe it's "over your head" to begin with. Just a theory!

No way that would get abused, no siree.

You didn't have your foot in your mouth with that thread title?