The 2020 Presidential General Election thread

I'm getting a huge kick out of the reports that the RNC is considering trying to offset the danger of Covid19 by holding the convention outdoors. Let's see...temperatures in the 90s with sweltering humidity, not to mention thunderstorms that can produce hurricane force winds and lotsa lightning, what could possibly go wrong with that plan? Oh, I forgot, there's always the off-chance of a hurricane.

And it doesn’t sound like @Amaris is, either. So I neither understand your statement, nor the concern.

As I said, it’s only for them to be able to stand up, brush themselves off, and in four years, pick up where the left off four years ago. They are not worried about a Biden presidency. They are worried about the amount of damage trump will do to their political credibility.
Let’s say trump is re-elected and does even more irrevocable damage to our international standing. And then four years after that, an actual Republican politician is elected. How much credibility is s/he going to have globally?
This is why they are distancing themselves now.

Amaris is what?

Here, try this. Read your last sentence, then read my response.

Me: I'm a No Party Preference voter.
You: It doesn't sound like @Amaris is, either.

It would seem as if you were saying you don't believe @Amaris is a No Party Preference voter.

Which is irrelevant to the subsequent conversation, but let's get it out of the way first.

I have no idea how you walk and chew gum at the same time. Smh

Don't care. If they help get Trump out, I'll cheer them on.

I am a bit uncoordinated, but that's because my eyesight's wonky. What that has to do with your inability to say "I meant to say @Amaris is probably also a No Party Preference voter" is unclear.

And, again, that is not what @Amaris and I were discussing RE: the upcoming election. If you want to participate in the actual discussion, please do so. If not, I'm not sure what you think you're doing. Is this going to be another of your "all politicians are human, therefore all politicians are equally evil" non-syllogisms?

What does trusting someone mean in this context?

I trust that they are genuine in their desire to defeat Trump. I know we will probably not be on the same side after this November. But I also don't think they're lying about anything.

I agree. I was just answering @Amais’ question, then responding to your statement that they appeared to support Biden.
None of my statements were intended to support or oppose their cause.

Oh, and the last day of the convention has some ugly connotations in Jacksonville. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ax_Handle_Saturday

Chemotherapy 2020. Even if it’s otherwise awful, it beats Terminal Cancer 2020 for sure.

Kanye’s out. That was fast.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...gn-polling-florida-donald-trump-a9619551.html

Attention whore. He had no intention of actually running. Just needed a quick free publicity grab.

At least the douche is CLEAN!

Guess who’s slowly being eased out the door?

Biden’s record is not that clean.

That works if you believe Biden is a cure, but I don't see it that way. Both Joe Biden and Donald Trump are symptoms of the disease. The thing about Trump is that you can see the disease as it mutates, but with Biden many of the visible symptoms disappear. What is Joe Biden curing? He wants to keep fracking. He wants to increase police budgets by $300 million. He said he would veto Medicare for All if it were to somehow make it to his desk. He will continue intervening in affairs in the Middle East, which will mean more bombs that will kill innocent human beings. Obama and Biden were the administration that put those immigrant children in cages in the first place. Obama and Biden were the administration that deported more illegal immigrants than any previous administration. Joe Biden has a long history of siding with wealthy, white Republicans, and a few Democrats who were virulently racist. He's not a cure. If you want to see him in medicinal terms, he may be a topical analgesic applied to the skin, while the cancer metastasizes beneath the surface. It's not going away no matter how much ointment you rub on your skin, and just because the itching and redness is gone doesn't mean the cancer has stopped taking over your body.

Joe Biden says he will do a lot of things, but just like he said he will cure cancer in his first term, he has absolutely nothing by which to back it up, and quite a lot of policy history to detract from it.

You, and other folks, can talk about how he's a cure, or a cleansing douche, or any other positive to Trump's negative, but most of his positives are merely performative. He's decent with civility politics. He offers nothing substantial to people who aren't white, moderately wealthy moderates and liberals. Trump is fucking awful, and you know it because you can plainly see it, the curtain has been pulled back and the sausage is being made right on the floor. Biden, on the other hand, will smile politely and say nice things as he continues to grind the most vulnerable into the sausage that sustains the system.

At the end of the day, both of them will do what they've been doing, one with the media behaving as if each new bad behavior by Donald is unexpected and surprising, and with Biden it will be more quietly accepted because when Obama did these things they were quietly accepted by most white moderately wealthy moderates and liberals because it didn't affect them then, and Biden will let them go back to believing that Trump was an aberration, and not a glimpse behind the curtain. Black people will still die in prison, kids will still die in cages, innocents overseas will still die from bombings, and a racist, sexual predator will still be in the White House, but he'll be civil, diplomatic. Well, his VP will, because despite being told that Joe Biden just swept the primaries, we should all be really excited about his pick for VP because maybe he'll die soon after taking office and we'll get them as President and then things will really get done! That's not desperate or weird at all.

SO, that being said, if you want to vote for Biden, if you think you have to vote for Biden and won't hear otherwise, do so. Maybe it will work out. Maybe this time any port in a storm will work out for the best. Just don't expect me to vote for him. I see him as a racist, as a rapist, and as a man who would do great harm but sanctioned by those who want a return to a normal that people like me were dying from anyway.

The idea the Biden boot lickers are claiming that he is some great guy is as stupid as the trump supporters ignoring all of his past actions.

Biden is a powerful lying sack of politician bullshit. He is just spitting out what the dems want to hear. There is tons of evidence Biden will go on being a part of the bullshit establishment crap. He is worse than Obama, and is a DNC puppet. They will not be establishing any public health care option under Biden. They might do some repair on the ACA which is terrible compared to a real healthcare system. They are going to give bail outs to the billionaires. Biden will go with the Lincoln Project and get us into more wars than trump because the MIC is what he loves and pays his bribes.

If people want to argue he will be better than Trump then fine. If people want to argue he will be a good person and make things good they have brains as small and gullible as any trumpista.

So Joe Biden being a significant contributor to HOW we got here isn't "worth a single hair on a donkey's nutsack?"

Stand back and look at what you wrote. Look at it. You just said all of Joe Biden's damaging policies, his lies, his contributions to the incarceration of so many people (black people being the majority) on such small drug charges (among many others) that the U.S. has the largest prison population in the world. Our surveillance state, our foreign policy where innocent people are bombed into submission because we show no mercy, the fact that the Obama/Biden administration started the very program that put those kids in cages in the first place, a man who fought desegregation, none of this matters. None of it is relevant to where we are now.

You've made, without a doubt, the absolute worst case to even consider voting for Joe Biden. Yeah, Donald Trump is a fool, he's a narcissist, he's a racist, and a rapist. So is Joe Biden. Yet I'm urged to look at the GOP and Dems as a party, because who controls congress will have the real power, so I do, and both of those parties have been pouring money into the military, into banks, into large corporations, and each party has members who have directly taken advantage of a program supposedly set up to help small businesses, making hundreds of thousands, even millions off of the program. Both parties ended up tossing a pittance to some people who are in desperate need.

You're telling me to choose between two parties who don't give a fuck if I die, and saying it's my civic duty, as if voting has become anything but a placebo. We saw that with the Democratic primaries, that if the outcome starts to change, it will be adjusted as necessary, and it's all legal. Hell, people here have defended their right to do what they want because it's a private entity, and that's true, it is. They can toss marbles in a hat to select a random person and say "this is our democratic primary winner."

You sink from lesser evil to lesser evil, and each time we have to vote for them because they're the only one who can stop [insert Republican candidate here]. When I learned that Hillary Clinton had done her damnedest to make sure Donald Trump was the GOP nominee, it shattered any last vestige of faith I had in the Democratic party as anything other than the other wing of the corporate bird that controlled both. So you go vote for the blue team. I'm sure Joe Biden, or [insert VP candidate here] will be the cure for Trump's ills. Then you can go back to brunch and pretend the last 4 years didn't happen. Count me out.

They're kept in constant fear that the Republican party will do to them via domestic policy what both parties do to people via foreign policy. It doesn't occur to them to toss both parties on their ass. The notion that they have actual democratic power is entirely academic.

In 2028 it will be "look, I know Nikki Haley isn't the best choice, but she's the Democratic nominee and the only one who can defeat Ted Cruz."

It will never end until we just collapse.

All right, then, treatment. See O2C's Post #285. First you excise the tumor, then you treat the patient toward remission, at least, if not a cure. Then the patient can function again.

Let the tumor continue to grow, the patient dies.

As for politicians making high-sounding campaign promises, find me one that hasn't. The cancer analogy is particularly ironic given Biden's claim it would be cured by now. But I'd attribute that to lack of knowledge about the fact that there is no one "cancer," but multiple kinds of cancer, each of which requires a calibrated treatment.

You want to let the patient die so you can resurrect a new, pure patient from the ashes on the third day. That's how we felt in the Sixties. End the war, bring our troops home wasn't enough. We wanted to tear it all down and start over. From what, with what, we weren't clear. We were only in our teens.

You know what we got? Nixon.

And Nixon would be an improvement over Trump. That’s how fall we’ve fallen.

Which goes back to my point. Joe Biden won't treat the disease. He'll relieve some of the symptoms, but the cancer continues unchecked. I want to save the body. Most people here seem to merely want to relieve the symptoms.

It's what happens when one continues to vote for the "lesser" evil, as if voting for someone who is less evil will result in good outcomes.