The all purpose J.K. Rowling thread

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  1. 14thDoctor

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    Pointed out elsewhere: If Rowling and her ilk have their way and people get segregated based on their assigned gender at birth, what's to stop a cis male predator from demanding entry to female only spaces by lying and claiming they're a trans man? :chris:
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Trans men don't matter to transphobes, because transwomen reject their place in the male hierarchy, and expose the fake bullshit of the patriarchy just by existing.
    That's why they're really hated.
    That's the real "threat" they represent.
    That's why the obsession is on transwomen.
    Oh, Jordan Peterson will mourn Elliott Page's boobies with crocodile tears, but it's half-hearted to create the flimsy illusion of balance.

    The trans issue is about Gilead as much as abortion is about Gilead.
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    Well, partially.

    There's also some good ol' fashioned penis panic. You notice how when the transphobes aren't pretending to care about women's rights, they start ranting about how "men wanting to cut their dicks off" in the most graphic terms they can think of? On some deep level, a transwoman getting bottom surgery makes them feel like someone is coming for their penises. (Don't try to read much rationality into it ... we're trying to get inside the heads of the deeply insecure here.)

    And, of course, the next thing that bubbles to the surface is usually something about "traps." Which brings us to the other "threat." These guys are terrified that they'll meet a transwoman and be attracted to her.
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  4. Nova

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    been making this argument for over a decade, never ONCE had an anti-trans bigot, either christofascist or TERF, even ATTEMPT a counter-argument.
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  5. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    the other day someone noted that Graham Linhein (I know I'm misspelling it) began his TERF journey at almost the exact same time that he had surgery for testicular cancer.

    Hard not to do the math on that.
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  6. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    What? I have read this a number of times and maybe I am still misreading it, but it makes no sense.

    1. A cis male would not claim to be a trans male because they are already a cis male. Why would a cis man ever have to claim to identify as male when he is a male. Maybe you wrote the wrong thing so this logically makes the statement false since that never happens.

    2. Under JK's idea a trans man would already be placed into female only spaces as they would be considered female being their physical bits are female at birth. So if you were a trans man you would already be in the female spaces, and then if you happen to be a predator of women we arrest you when you assault someone or if you make a non-consensual actiojn against a person.

    However, could you restate the question in a proper logical way because I am not getting it considering you seem to be conflating cis and trans men which is just wrong.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    It is clear the transphobes of the world are certainly thinking the bottom surgery is something that happens to them rather than being a requested and good thing for trans women. The only people who are taking a knife to men's dicks without permission and against their will are people who circumcise babies, and maybe a very small number of children born intersex.

    Do these same men have trouble with dick piercing because they somehow conflate someone else having it with them having it? If that is so, tough tittie for the asshole trying to stop others from modifying their own body. I find things like the large peircings people have disgusting and do not want on. I find people who put objects inside their skin to make it have a big bump or texture a bit disgusting. Which is really odd because I actually don't mind scars, burned skin, and amputations. I am not going to go outlaw it, nor do I want to stop someone from getting it done simply because it is not for me. I do not even think I would not date someone who had something like that, or would not be a friend of theirs as I have had friends who have done that.

    It is not your body so fix yourself if someone wanting to cut up their penis goes ahead and does it. All I say is try to do it safely and without infection so you can cut yourself up again or live to see another day. Let us have some health regulations so the dumbass down the road doesn't give you a massive infection you didn't want because they had tno training and certification, but thought they could do it anyway.
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  8. Nova

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    Yes, you misunderstood.

    TERF/Bigot plan, what they claim they want: Everyone has to use the loo that aligns with the genitals they were born with.

    They CLAIM this is necessary because otherwise some predatory cis male would lie that they are trans in order to gain access to the Ladies' including a crossdressing disguise, apparently.

    BUT

    Were such a predator to exist...
    If the Plan was in force and IF trans people complied (we won't) then said predatory cis male no longer needs to crossdress, he simply enters the ladies as if entitled and when challenged reply "I but see I was born with a vagina so this is where I have to go" - and there's no objective way to prove that's a lie, until he attacks.

    Now, I'm not saying this would ever happen, but according to THEIR 'logic" it's literally inevitable because their claim rests on the idea that predators will lie to gain access.
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  9. We Are Borg

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    The restroom argument seems so stupid to me.

    I went to a shopping mall this weekend that I hadn't been to in almost a decade. They had converted all their restrooms to gender-neutral. Private stalls for everyone with a common area to wash up afterwards. (And I mean private stalls - not the bullshit half-built stalls you get in most public restrooms).

    I'm sure the zealots would find some reason to moan about it, but it seems like a pretty straightforward solution to me. :shrug:
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    There’s a small concert venue I go to from time to time, it has the same setup. I think that’s the best approach, but I still find it kind of awkward. It’s nice to have the privacy though. If you need someone to spare a square, you’re fucked.
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  11. Diacanu

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    Y'know....JK hasn't been close with the movie cast since they turned on her over this TERF shit.
    Could that be a reason for the reboot?
    A Trump-style loyalty oath along with the NDA for signing up?
    Make sure she's got a TERF Harry, Ron, and Hermione this time?

    Press- So, how does it feel to fill this famous role formerly filled by...

    New Harry- All she did was say sex was real!! :mad:

    Press- Fuck...:facepalm:
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    I'm pretty sure the entire production team, from the producers to the directors to the actors to the fucking craft services people, will be under very strict orders not to say anything about anything except for the show itself.
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  13. 14thDoctor

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    I did see a clickbait article headline claiming Emma Watson was keeping them from turning that Cursed Child play into a proper film with the original cast. This could be the workaround. :chris:
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  14. Diacanu

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    Hero medal for Emma then.
    :diacanu:
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    Oh, fuck no. Please do not put in a bunch of bullshit into the new series.
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    I have never in my life had to ask somebody to hand toilet paper under a stall door.

    And yeah, single stalls are the way to go.

    That said, I know a decent number of both M-to-F and F-to-M trans people, and across the board, I'd be comfortable sharing a restroom with the F-to-M people and much less comfortable sharing with the M-to-F people. There are F-to-M people who I wouldn't want to share, say, a locker room with, but that's not because of their plumbing, it's because I'm over 40 and they're in high school.
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    You will get wall-to-wall race/gender/gay swapped characters, and you will LIKE it! :shakefist:
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    Oh, so because you don't like gay or character of color, then absofuckinglutely all new characters MUST be written as straight white christians. Which doesn't work with this story as they would all be pagan, not christian.

    Here's the thing though, christians have hated this series since the first book. Now they want it rewritten for them. They want to EXclude anyone not like them.

    Fuck that.

    As for other characters that were never stories, no "established" worlds in which gay or persons of color do not exist, that are rewritten later so as to be more INclusive, is so fucking not the same thing and I think you know that, you're just arguing against people who want to be inclusive because the idiot you tubers make lots of money bitching about it, so you must also bitch against such things.
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  19. Diacanu

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    The bigots and hacks have figured out, you can twist anything into a negative, and you can make bitching about a perceived negative seem funny if you're animated enough, and throw enough funny words in.
    Carlin knew this, but he still took the effort to put actual truth in there.
    And he knew the difference between punching up and punching down, because he went after Dice.
    Even Daniel Tosh, who's as un-PC as you can get, has a bit about how he can't tell certain jokes in front of certain crowds, or it turns into a hate rally.

    The YouTube hacks don't care. They don't have to. They're safe behind their computer.
    Outrage equals clicks, equals bucks.
    At least when Geraldo riled up Klanners, and made the stage riot, he got a chair in the face.

    Sometimes, I darkly fantasize about going back in time with the life-force swapping machine from Babylon 5, and giving Carlin all of Dennis Leary's years.
    I wonder if that would have made a better world, or if stupid-evil would have just found another way in.

    :thinking:
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    What I don't like is lazy hack writers who cower behind the "representation" shield.


    I'm arguing against talentless idiots coasting on other people's creations because they lack the creativity to make something completely new that stands on its own. Anything beyond that and you're speaking of someone else.
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    Shallow and pedantic!
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    Hey, speaking of lazy hacks, look who showed up to recite the lines.

    Punching down. Check.

    Everyone I don't like is a bigot. Check.

    Appeals to the authority of individuals with more talent in their left nuts than he has in his entire reeking carcass. Check.
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    Hey, I don't begrudge anyone finding a way to make money in this horrific economic environment in which we find ourselves.
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    Shallow and pedantic!!

    Right, why would I think you'd listen to anybody including people you purport to respect?
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    Your mean your twising of someone else's words. Like I'm going to trust that.
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    Lots of original work is out there that people bitch about "lazy hack writers" Discovery was set in the Star Trek universe, but it's still original story. As opposed to Strange New Worlds which takes existing characters and rewriting them into bland characters.


    To be clear, when I said "you're just arguing", was not intended to be aimed specifically at you, just the general people out there arguing against inclusivity. People of color and actors with same sex sexual preferences can still be talented even when someone else dislikes the character or the way the character was written.
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    Are you, though?

    Do you hate anyone that's ever written a spider-Man story after Lee and Ditko because they "coasted on other people's creations?" :chris:

    Do you hate Alan Moore because his most popular works are all about characters created by other people? Even Watchmen is just old Charlton characters with the serial numbers filed off. :chris:
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    Someone is gettin some tonight! I am looking at you @Uncle Albert .

    Go you buddy! When you are done fillin her up maybe you could be less of an ass? Jus sayin.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    You know she cannot hear reason since her brain blood barrier was pierced by UA's dumbass stupor sperm when she blew some into her nasal cavity when she was chortling his microcock. All those dumb ass swimmers attacked her brain matter and turned her into @Jenee sort of like how brain worms make us like cats. Shit happens when you snarf cum from a dumbass.

    Be kind to her, she has a disability.