The Colin Kaepernick Thread

No, power doesn't have anything to do with racism.

rac·ism noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
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The most rabidly racist people in the old South weren't the people with power, they were the poor powerless whites who didn't want blacks to stand as equals to them on the bottom rung of the social ladder. Likewise, immigrants in ghettos were often extremely racist - especially as part of maintaining their group identities. Racism against Jews is primarily directed at them by people who are socially and financially inferior. If poor white people can be racist for hating Jews, then poor black people can be racist for hating Jews, whites, and Asians.

But they're not taught that.

You forgot the pathological lying and spin.

He's welcome to speak out about these issues while he's off the clock.

No, if they dance for their supper the NFL fines them for excessive celebration.

You failed to even attempt to respond to a single one of my points.

Even so, I'll respond to yours:

According to his employer he's welcome to speak out about these issues (in the manner the thread is about) while he's on the clock.

If you disagree with the NFL's stance, please refer to my earlier post and make an effort at explaining your position.

Go fuck yourself. I've explained my position. Don't badger me just because you disagree.

That too.

Can no one on the state ritual side support their position?

Are we just to assume it was b/c it was a black man who got 'uppity'?

But Kaepernick's problem with the National Anthem likely runs deeper.

Look at his hair.


The latest fashion - in Kandahar or Tikrit.


The ISIS flag tattooed all over his body.

Not saying he's going to join ISIS - but ISIS...

I'll take "Victims of Stockholm Syndrome, for $1,000, Alex."

Power dynamics doesn't just have to do with people in suits with six or more zeroes on their bank ledger.
It's everything that draws breath.
A wife beater is never going to get a golden crown, or a pageant sash, or a trophy, or a Publisher's Clearinghouse giant check, but he damned sure as Hell is trying to have power over someone.
How about the assholes that doxxed Leslie Jones?
You aren't going to see them given a parade down the streets, or a Time magazine cover, but I bet they think they've gotten the one-up on her, and think they're fucking brilliant.
Even though they're going to die forgotten, and be planted in a pine box when they die choking on a KFC drumstick bone, it was still about power.

And that would apply to black people, as well. You don't think they love sticking it to the man?

What if they did?
Are you the man?
Then why weep on his behalf?

The point is that your point about power dynamics confirms that blacks could be just as racist as anyone - even if you limited the definition of racism to something about having power.

The "power" angle is incorrect, by the way, and likely the result of slavery and Jim Crow in America. It's far more common to be racist in the absence of any dramatic power imbalance or institutional support. Go to Europe and ask people in various countries what they think about Greeks, Gypsies, Spaniards, Moroccans, Jews, Serbs, Russians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Brits, Irish, Poles, Italians, Chinese, etc. You'll encounter a whole lot of racist opinions.

People get power trips over having a better car and showing it off, or knowing a little bit more movie trivia than the other guy.
Of course racism fits into that picture, even without material gain to it.
The person just has to FEEL higher than the other guy.
Of course, if he can convince a mob of his delusion, then he actually gains power.

Paging Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Paging Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. President Obama on line three.

Claiming that racism is about power is an attempt to excuse blacks from their own racism

Yes but what does racism mean to you?

Really? What is racism about then? Do you think LBJ was wrong when he said:

And the DNC has been doing just that, the same as always.

...is just cold reality.

Humans are mostly just mobile gobbets of meat puppeted by DNA.
Some can rise above that, but few do.

Perhaps that's why we have so much black racism now that we have a black President who rules by fiat.

Exhibit A.

New York Times story about Zimbabwe, with lots of quotes and stuff.

"If we had the chance to go back to white rule, we'd do it," said Solomon Dube, a peasant whose child was crying with hunger when I arrived in his village. "Life was easier then, and at least you could get food and a job."

...

An elderly peasant in another village, Makupila Muzamba, said that hunger today is worse than ever before in his seven decades or so, and said: "I want the white man's government to come back. Even if whites were oppressing us, we could get jobs and things were cheap compared to today."

His wife, Mugombo Mudenda, remembered that as a younger woman she used to eat meat, drink tea, use sugar and buy soap. But now she cannot even afford corn gruel. "I miss the days of white rule," she said.

...

At one maternity ward, 21 women were sitting outside, waiting to give birth. No nurse or doctor was in sight, and I asked the women when they had last eaten meat, eggs or other protein. They laughed uproariously. Lilian Dube, a 24-year-old who had hiked 11 miles to get to the hospital, said that she had celebrated Christmas with a morsel of goat meat.

"Before that, the last time I had meat was Christmas the year before," she said. "I just eat corn porridge and mnyi," a kind of wild fruit.

...

When a white racist government was oppressing Zimbabwe, the international community united to demand change. These days, a black racist government is harming the people of Zimbabwe more than ever, and the international community is letting Mr. Mugabe get away with it. Our hypocrisy is costing hundreds of Zimbabwean lives every day.​

In Kaepernick's case, not only does he get food, he gets a $114 million dollar NFL contract and no ZANU PF wiping out his village.

You've had more open bigotry since he took office is all.

Cell phone cameras helped with showing the police bullshit.

Well yeah, coming from the White House. Eric Holder called us a nation of cowards (referring of course only to white people). Obama never misses an opportunity to inject race into any discussion, and just keeps calling us racists at every turn. His response to the New Orleans flood was to tell victims to be on guard against white racism.

The response was sharp. A resident posted this on Facebook:

Dear Mr President,

I want to thank you for reminding us in South Louisiana not to discriminate against anyone based on race or religion. Had you not reminded us of this I don’t know what we would have done. See we rode around in a boat saving people and well race or religion never entered my mind. Not once. It didn’t enter my buddies mind or my wife’s. Just saving people.

I understand you may be miss informed because of all the race baiting that the media did a couple months ago here is South Louisiana. But I assure you that’s not what we stand for in South Louisiana. We love each other when the times get hard. We look out for our own. Now I know this doesn’t fit your agenda. But facts are facts.

O and by the way stay up in DC play a little golf and enjoy your last couple months in office. Make sure you clean out your desk. Clean out the house you’ve occupied for 8 years cause your time is up. Let ya buddy Ms Clinton know we don’t need her either. She needs her rest. Lord knows she needs rest more then the residents of South Louisiana do. She may could put some of that Clinton foundation blood money to good use down here helping others. But why would she do that. She already knows Louisiana doesn’t belong to her come November. If this was a state she needed she would have been on the boat with me. But that’s OK we got this we are strong here in Louisiana. Something you will never understand.

Thanks
The true citizens of Louisiana​

So I just now found out about this from another site because I don't read most of grutner's posts and yeah, don't care.

That has to be one of the more retarded things I have seen you post lately. No power is needed at all. A powerless black guy or native American can be just as racist as anyone else.

Colin Kaepernick as in the QB? What'd he do, come out as a hockey player?

Oh. That's boring.

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