The "gun culture" is to blame for Virginia Tech

I found this interesting little lefty-lib gungrabber diatribe and thought I'd share it with you folks. Can anyone guess who wrote it?

Who's Jack Donner?



Edit: Ah, I see.

The kid who shot up that school was BATSHIT CRAZY. If he didn't get a hold of a gun, he'd have probably used a knife or something else to kill everyone.

When will people see that the lunatic fringe are not representative of most people?!

So the state's failure is tied into the gun culture?

Because ownung a gun is automatically tied in with my needing to feel more like a man or the need to feel more powerful?

Hardly an objective truth, now is it?

How about some statistics and sources.

How is this gun related?

So we've gone from having a gun is synonymous with feelings of inadiquacy to being synonymous with a mental crutch. Which is it?

None of which has anything to do with firearms.

None of whuch has anything to do with firearms.

And when the National Guard or police aren't around to save you from those big, bad people with mental issues or from hardened criminals, then waht?

Profit is bad. Capitalism is bad. Money is bad.

How is this any different from any other lobby, including the Brady Bunch, VPC, or the ACLU?

Both of which are true. Guns are an inanimate object incapable of doing anything without a human behind it. That human could be a nutjob, a tweaker looking to scroe, a criminal, a cop, a soldier, a woman seeking to protect her body, a pimp looking to keep his bitches in line, a man trying to put food on his table, or just a person trying to be safe in his own home.

Crazy people shouldn't have access to guns, therefore nobody should have access to guns.

I tell this to everyone who argues to me for gun control: "I value my happiness above your life." They usually shut up when they look into my eyes, hoping I'm joking.

I found Donner's diatribe perfectly representative of how the field of psychology has been overrun by lefty-lib politics. Notice how, to the Donner-esque lefty-lib, gun ownership can only be understood through the prism of pathology - no psychologically healthy person would ever own a firearm.

Also good is "I value the defense of my life over your safety".

Romulan gun grabber!

Phasers on full!!!

Who'da thunk that something like that could come from the mind of Mr. garamet.

And if he couldn't get a knife he'd have used his TI-83.

well, he might've gone samurai like this guy.

Ah, a new angle to troll garamet. Took you long enough.

On topic: I wonder... why do you think about 95% of school shootings happen in the US?

Students are discouraged from carrying in class?

I think they are tragic, but the people that want to do it, will, regardless of how many gun laws are in place. The media that harps on these killings constantly are just as much to blame as the shooter, maybe more so, because the shooters want attention and the media gives them exactly what they want, in spades. Nobody knew who Cho was before Virginia Tech and now everyone does. If the media didn't make him a household name, he might not have killed anyone but himself.

Secondly, I think that at colleges, disarming students doesn't do anything but produce more sheep to be slaughtered. At the high school level, having guns on campus didn't use to be a problem. I used to keep a rifle in my truck and we used to have a rifle team, not to mention JROTC. The problem again goes back to the media giving into the wishes of these assholes and giving them the attention they want.

I've taught The Boy and The Girl if there is a shooting to ignore the lockdown and get the fuck out of the school ASAP. Let other kids be locked in a classroom and hope the shooter doesn't kick in their door while the cops stand behind a tree and wait. And if the reports of AQ wanting a Belsan here in the states, this makes it that much more important that my kids get away from the schools.

Because we loathe children.

That's probably not the distinction.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Unless I am sorely, sorely mistaken, Jack Donner is garamet's boyfriend/life partner/significant other.

Again: why do you think these things happen almost exclusively in the US? You may notice that it isn't a question of guns or no guns - I know that once can use almost everything to kill somebody else (tho guns make it really easy).

Could it be a cultural phenomenon? A consequence of constant warfare and drumming into kid's heads how it's totally OK to shoot somebody who tries to steal your TV set?

We forgot to turn off the kill switch after gunning down the Hun?

Schools in the US drive kids crazy. It's the only answer. I was sure of it in high school, and I'm convinced now.

And I'm WAY too tired to address every point in that artcile with anything but a big "Oh, bullshit."

What do you mean, "forgot"?

They don't happen almost exclusively in the US. Port Arthur, Dunblane, Belsan, one in German last year. But we have a lot of copycats because someone sees the media feeding frenzy and thinks it's a good way to get their 15 minutes of fame.

And some of it is cultural, I'm sure. But for every one of these kids that shoots up a school, 80,000,000 American gun owners didn't. Yet I'm lumped in with them. For every hacker that broken into a bank, 80,000,000 computer owners didn't. Why aren't their rights to own a machine tied into the First Amendment under attack?

I Japan, they don't have school shootings when they get too stressed out in school.

They just kill themselves. And they enjoy it.

At least according to the Ian Fleming's "You Only Live Twice."

Teachers are discouraged from shooting students?

I'm not throwing you in with them
I just don't think that more killing devices are a good way to stop killing. You know, it's like fucking for virginity and stuff.

Just for the record: I'm not a 'gun grabber', but I'm also not a fan of everybody packing heat all the time. I'm just not paranoid enough to see an advantage to that, and I cannot fathom how it is to feel threatened all the time.

Neither can we. It has nothing to do with it.

Just because I keep a fire extinguisher in my kitchen doesn't mean I sit around in mortal terror that my house will catch on fire.

See, I don't feel threatened all the time anyways, any more than I am paranoid about being in a car wreck every time I put on a seatbelt or that my house will burn down everytime I put a log in the fireplace. It's a risk, however small, and a gun on my hip allows me to deal with that risk in the same way a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher allow me to deal with those risks, or at least survive them.

Hey, I can handle my boos....

Anyway, I blame the "couch potato" culture for thousands of Americans getting adult-onset diabetes, hardening of the arteries, etc.
What tangible precautions are the government foisting upon us to slow this trend?

Nah, not really. A gun can become an instrument of aggression in a heartbeat. That's the difference to a fire extinguisher. The problem is, opportunity makes thieves. School shootings are the perfect example of events that simply wouldn't happen if there were no easily accessible guns. Nobody runs amok with a kitchen knife