The Old Joe’s Got to Go Thread.

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    Have you met the dems? This is part of their master plan to hand the ball back to the reps. The news just needs to manufacture drama for ratings so they can sell advertising.
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    Honest question, did you read the entirety of both articles?
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    Of course he didn't.

    The first is an opinion piece from a lifelong Republican (who only quit the party in protest of Trump), and the second article is all quotes about the campaign, not Biden running as a candidate (other than one section which which mentions how he isn't an ideal candidate for younger members of the party, but doesn't include anything saying they want him to step down).

    Once again, @Steal Your Face wastes everyone's time with things he didn't bother to read.
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    Honestly I should say the dems should be worried. Less stinky shit is not a great strategy. Given part of Biden's problem is his age and that is getting worse and worse while Trump's people would vote for his dead corpse they might want to hand things off while they can.

    That was the original plan for Biden because of his age. He was presented as a placeholder to endorse someone later. The best strategy is to find someone good to endorse so he can pass the torch. It is not to say he is a great leader that will save us because he is dying. That is the same damned argument I have with Bernie which is why I would not go with him again either.
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    Anonymous quotes from Dem operatives and former campaign staff.

    Who worry Biden hasn’t ramped up his campaign and hired more staff.

    I wonder why they might want Biden to ramp up his campaign and hire more staff.

    And if they are so worried, I wonder why they weren’t willing to put their name on it.

    Hmmm….
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    Well, the economy is still stubbornly refusing to collapse, so he's gotta have SOMETHING.
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  8. Ancalagon

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    Also, if he had read the CNN piece he would have had his answer right here:

    And they believe that moving too much into campaign mode too early wouldn’t just burn through millions of dollars, but risk politicizing the president as he tries to position himself as a commonsense guy standing up for the middle ground against extremist Republicans. It would also complicate Biden and his Cabinet fanning out across the country to talk about infrastructure and “Bidenomics” – an attempt to proactively tackle the complaints about the economy which remain a top political concern internally – which is, for now, being done as government events, at taxpayer expense.​

    Whole paragraph is good but I highlighted one bit in particular. Cabinet officials and Biden himself have been hitting every ground breaking for a new bridge or semiconductor factory, electric vehicle factory, upgraded waste water treatment plant, etc etc in swing states. You don’t always hear about it on national news but they are top stories on local news. Which is big because:

    The new Poynter Media Trust Survey found 76 percent of Americans across the political spectrum have “a great deal” or “a fair amount” of trust in their local television news, and 73 percent have confidence in local newspapers. That contrasts with 55 percent trust in national network news, 59 percent in national newspapers and 47 percent in online-only news outlets.​

    Remember Hillary won nationally by over 3 million votes but lost the EC because of 66,000 votes in four states. Biden had the largest number of votes in history but was only 44,000 votes in three states away from losing the EC.

    With Trump the likely nominee the big worry isn’t winning nationally, it is winning the EC. Focusing on the swing states is the smart strategy IMO.
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    I admit once I saw what it was I just skimmed this one but I will make one comment on it.

    The people who scoffed at the idea that Biden could win the White House from his Delaware basement are now scoffing at the idea he could win the White House FROM THE WHITE HOUSE!

    WTF? Do you people even hear yourself?!?!? :lol:
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    Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.:lol:
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    I know this is true but it’s also pretty meaningless. In a country with a growing population, your default expectation should be that every popular vote winner gets the most votes in history. In fact 34 of 49 elections since 1828 (when the popular vote became relevant) had the popular winner winning the most votes in history. It’s more important to look at elections where that wasn’t the case than to brag about doing the natural thing.
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    This from the Nazi misogynist who posts misogynistic stuff with a Nazi av then denies he's either.
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    Oh hey, you’re back!

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    In theory, but declining voter turnout across the board is also a thing and had been on the increase until the last few elections.
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    Agreed I just didn’t know the vote margin and it wasn’t a critical part of the argument so was too lazy to look it up.
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    It comes up a lot. The margin by percentage was large only for the immediate past, and smaller than in 1980-1996 and 2008. Same in absolute numerical advantage except without 1992.
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    Sure, but again, not really my point.
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    hang on?

    "nazi av"?

    you might wanna just google search his screen name and hit "images"
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    Yep. By pretty much all metrics* the economy is doing pretty damn good. However people don’t feel that it is doing good. Which is to be expected as perceptions (especially around inflation) have a pretty big bit of lag.

    And you can’t bring facts to a feelings fight. It doesn’t matter how many metrics and graphs and charts you throw at someone trying to convince them that their feelings are wrong you aren’t going to convince them otherwise. In fact you will cause resentment and make them think you are out of touch.

    Not to mention what if there is a downturn?

    So yeah, not a lot of upside for Biden to use his war chest to host big rallies where all he’ll do is turn people off now and potentially set himself up for failure later.

    As opposed to the current strategy I highlighted above of having surrogates go out to swing states, make local headlines highlighting how Biden is gonna make their lives better in the future. All on the governments dime.

    If the economy keeps chugging along and public sentiment turns and folks think we have a good economy then BAM! the issue is already teed up for Biden to take credit once he does start his big campaigning.

    And even if it gets a little shaky and/or sentiment just doesn’t turn then the tangible benefits people see in their areas are still tied to Biden.


    *one issue is that due to last years bear market capital gains plummeted so tax receipts were 11% lower than the year prior while spending increased so we had a pretty large jump in the deficit but luckily no one actually cares about the deficit.
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    I don't think Matt was referring to FF's current av. But in the past FF was banned for using a swastika or something as an av.
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    I'm well aware of this strategy. They think the American people are stupid. The real reason is because Joe Biden fell on stage and Mika Brezenski chewed his aides out on live television blaming them for his mistakes. They're worried that he's going to keep coming off looking like a dementia patient so they send surrogates out to make wild promises they know they can't keep. That's why they're talking about the youth vote because for the first time the youth vote got them across the finish line in the mid-terms. They promised to relieve student debt knowing they couldn't do it via fiat. You know I know they know that? Nancy Pelosi told us so two years ago. They also know that twenty somethings don't pick up on things like that. It's the same strategy they have every time, give out hand outs and free money and they'll vote for you.

    We saw AOC sell out to them and the people who pay attention to things like that are going to be really angry that she did that. But it's still early and we don't know what's going to happen next summer, but I'm not sure this strategy is going to work again, especially if the handlers keep fucking up and RFK Jr. keeps rising in popularity.
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    "Overconfidence is the most dangerous form of carelessness."
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    The idea the American economy is going to fail always seems silly to me because of the geographic and commercial/industrial diversity.

    Sections of it can fail, and states can and do fail. Cities can fail. However, america on a whole, as long as it stays together is not going to fail everywhere. However, it means it will be failing somewhere. Some areas of america are on the upswing.
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