This is the problem with many Star Wars "fans"

Fine I’ll concede that. We got what we wanted, let’s hope they don’t fuck it up. So far it’s doing okay.

This is false. There are articles that say otherwise.

I would tell you to Google it but you're a typical everything is the best no matter what Star Wars fan so you'd find some excuse to dispute what you read.

In many ways you're just like Trump in saying everything is the biggest and the best always and refusing to accept that maybe things aren't as you say they are when it comes to your pet movie franchises.

...or, you could actually, y'know, supply one of these articles.
That'd sure show me.

But it's not an honest conversation. And let me point out that I'm not completely blaming RLM for this. Unlike those of us here, the RLM (and others) are on a platform (YouTube, but the same is true of sites like FB, Twitter, etc.) which rewards what they call "engagement." That's liking and sharing things, not necessarily agreeing with the content, or even if the content is valid (I'm betting that the "I was anally probed by space aliens from Venus" videos have more views than videos of Brian Cox explaining physics). So, a video which agrees with the general consensus is going to have a tough time getting noticed. A video which goes against the grain is not only going to get noticed, it's going to get shared a lot more than one which supports the consensus, unless the people behind the video a particularly clever. Which the RLM guys were, with their psychotic movie critic bit. Problem is, that soon slips into the "new normal" and while they might have a consistent number of viewers, they're not growing, and that's the obsession everyone has these days. If the RLM (and others) don't have growth in their number of viewers, then YT stops paying them as much money for ad sales. (It's like with cellphone companies and cable companies. New customers get all kinds of special offers and discounts, but folks who've been with the company for years get butt raped.)

So, the RLM folks (and lots of the others on the web) have to keep pushing things to keep their numbers up. They can't say that a particular film was weak in spots, they've got to come out and call the whole film garbage. That's what gets the viewers.

Well, yes, I'm sure we can all think of a couple of posters here who have very specific visions for what their favorite franchise should be like and woe unto anyone who disagrees with them about that subject. But the correct response isn't to adopt the extreme opposition view, it's to concede their points when they're right, and gently nudge them towards admitting that maybe this scene in Leonard Part 6 wasn't one of Cosby's best.

Because, and I realize that this might be difficult for a lot of people to grasp, the kind of mentality which says that Leonard Part 6 is the greatest movie ever and anyone who disagrees with that isn't merely wrong, but evil and/or deluded, is the same kind of mentality which thinks that it's a good idea to fly planes into buildings, or that we should burn people at the stake because they disagree with how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Oh sure, the Leonard Part 6 folks aren't hijacking planes or gathering wood just yet, but with the right inciting incident, they'll abandon all reason and the next thing you know, we've got buildings falling down, or movie critics being roasted.

Indeed he does. Abrams is like the unholy offspring of Spielberg and Michael Bay.

Except until post 61 in this thread, I've not seen you make reasoned comments. It's always been "Watch this video!" or "Those guys suck!" And I say this as someone who's not a fan of Abrams, or his movies.

I could as I did look up articles but than I decided who are we kidding? You're not going to care what article I link too. You're going to make excuses.

So why bother?

We are dealing with DiaTrump.

Nevermind, I got tired of waiting, here's one...

https://fortune.com/2018/01/18/with-star-wars-toys-the-force-is-strong-but-retail-sales-arent/

Keep going. Soon you're journey to the darkside will be complete and you'll be a hater.

Actually they just hit 1 million subscribers, their viewership is growing and I do believe the conversations are honest, but you and others refuse to actually watch them.

And? The YT channels that see explosive growth overnight are the exception, not the rule.

It's a matter of how they say it. One can say that Leonard Part 6 is a bad movie in a couple of different ways. There's the calm, dispassionate manner of discussing it (which doesn't get a lot of views) and there's calling it a war crime committed by a rapist. Which one do you think is going to get the most views?

And why should I? The usual statements that you seem to give about their clips are, "These guys hated it as much as I did." That's not reason enough for me to watch a video, especially since I tend not to watch any videos at all these days. I have got a shit ton of things that I need to be doing, and spending time watching someone complain about something isn't exactly high on my list.

What would it take for you to watch at least one video? I suggest you watch that since we're talking about Star Wars that you watch TLJ review. If you don't want to do that, I will re-watch the review, when I get time ( Read: I'm off on Mondays and don't have shit else to do most Mondays), take down notes and recite my notes and you tell me if you think it has valid criticism or valid points or is it just three middle aged men screaming about how their childhoods are ruined? TLJ may not even be a good pick because we all seem to agree that it's pretty weak, as you said. They also do season reviews of Discovery which we seem to be in disagreement over or you can choose another popular movie or franchise that's fairly recent. I'm willing to bet that if I do this right, and I won't insert my opinions, I will try to accurately describe theirs to the best of my abilities, that you will find it's not quite what you think it is. In exchange, you can challenge me to whatever you feel would be equal. Here's the TLJ review should you choose to watch it.

she's gay... so ethically, I can't.

I think it's ok so long as she's not actually present at the time....

true, and I suppose even if she was there, the fact that she's the one making me do so absolves me of the creepiness factor.

Wouldn't absolve her....

No one actually read it, did they?

The blame is actually spread to a lot of complex factors.
I'll take Fortune's reporting over the swill the Google algorithm wants to shove in my face first.

Given that "fans" whether Star Wars or Star Trek are basically the "customers", why did it become a big deal for the producers of products to bitch and moan about their "customers" so much?

You put a tl;dr on my last post so no I’m not reading it.

Wow. This thread took an interesting turn.

The bottom line is that rationale, normal middle-aged people don't spend their time making Youtube videos so they can bitch about how their beloved childhood films have been raped by Disney and that everything that doesn't conform to their narrow worldview sucks.

I see a movie I didn't like? I get slightly ticked for wasting my time and I might tell some friends and colleagues that I thought it was a crappy film. I have better things to do than spend enormous amounts of time and energy channeling that kind of stupidity.

(Instead, I start threads on an obscure BBS just to get my kicks riling up those middle-aged losers.)

An entire sub-industry of whiny assholes has cropped up, thanks to the interwebs. No doubt these folks have always existed, but social media and Youtube actually give these fucks a platform.

Isn't it the height of arrogance to sneer at people who take what they enjoy as entertainment kind of seriously.

Isn't it the height of hypocrisy to do that sneering on an internet bulletin board devoted to that same entertainment?

You know, if you’re going to start a thread about a video you came across on YouTube, you probably should have watched it first. I know you didn’t and I know you aren’t going to just like Dicky isn’t going and @Tuckerfan, that’s still up in the air. But if I were going to comment on a video, I would have at least watched it first. What you claim is in the video i.e. middle aged man children whining about how their childhood has been raped, is not the case at all. It’s actually a funny prediction video which is not to be taken that seriously. I do have to wonder though, do you not see a legitimate role for film critics? Nobody’s reading the paper anymore, so if you wanna get a review of the movie, you’re probably going to have to go on social media. Furthermore, here’s a really crazy thought, maybe some people like discussing the movies they watched with other people, social media is a good way to do that. RLM guys have an entertaining channel that many share their sense of humor. Many also enjoy their movie reviews and trust their judgment just like people trust John Campea or others. I do see that as a bad thing, it allows us to connect with more like minded people and not just douche bags on Wordforge. Had you bothered to actually watch the video you might enjoy it, but just like Dicky, anything other than undying loyalty to a brand is unacceptable. So who’s the real loser?

Now you and Dicky can mark this tl;dr and be loser buddies together.

Yes, yes it is. It’s a funny channel with funny content, movie reviews and tons of Star Trek references and jokes, but god forbid they criticize Star Wars or any other beloved franchise.

Now tell us how we're stupid doody heads that eat doody pies, and this isn't your real family, and your real mom was a fairy princess, and your real dad is a ninja.

You resort to this every time someone challenges you and you have no other rebuttal, it’s quite pathetic. If you don’t have anything to say, then just don’t respond. This is a discussion board, we are discussing Star War and more specifically Star Wars fans and their ability or inability to accept criticism of the franchise. You’ve proven you can’t. Nothing in my post was whining, I was simply pointing out facts and stating my opinion. I don’t have to love everything Star Wars and I’m under no obligation to agree with you. I’m trying to have a polite discussion and for some reason that gets you panties in a wad and so you respond with the same pathetic smileys over and over. It tells me that you have no actual retort and that I win because of it. If you’re not going to watch the video, fine, don’t comment on it because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Just like you ask Dayton to not comment on Discovery because he doesn’t watch it. Do you want to be like Dayton, because that’s what you’re acting like. Get back to me when you have an actual response and not the straw man response you created in your head.

No, if they"challenge", me with real argument, I take a crack a picking their argument apart.
When it's just a bunch of primal emotions and insults, I give it what it deserves.

Yeah, okay.

The very model of polite conversation and cool decorum there.

Your boy started the middle aged loser shit first.

https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-decline

Really?
You're gonna whine I parody you as a little boy, and you turn around and use the "Billy hit me first!", excuse?
Goddamn...

He also called those who don't worship JJ Wars "fans". That's a Dayton move.

Money. One of the reasons why I prefer threads here on things like movies and TV shows is that not only do I get a variety of opinions on them, but I also know a number of things about the people giving those opinions. Some I can automatically discount since I know that they're automatically going to love whatever the subject is, and others I discount since all they do is hate on everything. The intersection of the comments of everyone, however, is what I use to draw my opinions on the subject if I haven't seen the film/TV series. What would those guys bring to the table that I don't get here? References to an obscure film by Kenneth Anger? (If you've got some good drugs and have about 40 minutes to kill, you can watch one here. They're bizarre.) that's nice and all, but really tells me more about what they did in college than anything about a particular film.

Except, I've not watched TLJ and have no intention of doing so. If people come out of RoS saying that it's an incredible film, and I get enough details about what happens in the film to make me want to go see it, then I'll watch TLJ. Otherwise, no. There's no point. Even if I were to agree with them, I don't need some guys talking to validate my opinions of a film I've never seen and have no intention of seeing.

Your mistake is that I think those guys are anything. They're not, they're just some dudes with a YouTube channel talking about something which I have only a passing interest in. I followed the Discovery thread here, from when it was started, read all the spoilers, and then, after the second season had wrapped up and I had some free time, I binged it. Not only did I watch it with a critical eye, but I was also forearmed with what happened in the series. So I would see something, know how it was going to be referenced later on, and closely track how they got from one point to the other.

In the end, I greatly enjoyed the series. Did it have a few flaws? Yeah, it did, but those flaws weren't great enough to prevent me from enjoying it. And that's all that matters. I had a good time. What would I get from watching those guys? Maybe a mistake that I missed? Big deal, it's not going to change my level of enjoyment of the film. I mean, when in the first Iron Man movie dude yanks the crucible of molten palladium out of the fire using tongs, but no protection from the heat, it yanked me right out of the goddamned movie. Palladium melts at 2800F and I've poured molten metal at those temps (and higher), it doesn't matter if it's only a small amount of material, you're going to have to have some protective gear on. That didn't stop me from enjoying the movie, however. Nor will anything those guys have to say about Discovery, so why bother? I might learn a technical term I didn't know before? Okay, kinda cool, but when am I going to need to use it? Probably never. Ever read Gore Vidal talking about working in Hollywood? He has a real laugh over how the French gush over film noir. They ascribe all kinds of things to the films because of the way they look, to which Gore replies, "We weren't thinking of anything like that when we made the movies. We shot them the way we did because Jack Warner wouldn't buy us more lights."

Here's an article about a high school kid who sent questionnaires to a bunch of famous authors asking about interpretations of their works. Spoiler alert: Most of the interpretations are wrong.

So, again, what would I gain by watching the video?