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http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2017-silence-breakers/

The thing that bothers me about a lot of these stories are the women who sold out and went along with it to get their roles. Obviously that doesn't excuse the behaviour of the execs but I'm saying there are many wannabe actresses who were propositioned by the same people and refused, but then some other wannabe comes along, does what they want, gets the role and basically just sold out all those other women. If they had all refused from the start then this culture wouldn't have been able to manifest itself.


On top of that by waiting this long to tell their stories and only doing so when the bandwagon was in full effect they let all those other women after them be exposed to these creeps.


I understand it's not that easy, they were under pressure to comply and maybe they weren't as strong as the other women who refused from the start. I understand that cultures were different and they're still victims of a fucked up culture in Hollywood, but at the same time let's not hold them up as moral goddesses fighting the power when they got so much out of it for complying and other women got nothing for refusing.

The only thing that bothers me about this is that it seems to be obvious trolling for women readers and subscribers.

The way I understand it, actresses have been complaining about Weinstein for years, but he had a network of people covering for him...up to and including the actresses very own agents.

Then why didn't they find another job?

I have no idea. I don't know enough about how the industry works to try to judge.

Why didn’t they just leave the industry then?

I already answered. I have no idea. Ask them.

You’re making it sounds like you need some sort of insider knowledge to figure out how to leave a job where you have to suck a dick to get a job. Just leave.

Isn't that too much to ask? We might admire someone who does that, but we can't expect it.

Then they have no one to blame but themselves if they knowingly stuck around in a profession where this was well known.

No I'm not. You asked me why they didn't just quit. I answered truthfully. I don't know why they didn't just quit. I'm not them. What else do you want me to say?

Ah. I wondered if this is where you were going. No. We don't blame the victim for choosing one illegally and immorally imposed infringement of their rights over another. We continue to blame the actual perpetrators.

You must hate personal responsibility. Why not blame the actresses who stayed in an industry where this was known if they weren’t comfortable with it? And you didn’t read my first post. We should hold the execs accountable as well.

Well hell, if it's a career you want badly, you're not going to "just" quit.
You try to fix the problem so you can have your career. Especially if the problem is something so ridiculously horrifying.

I think any sane person would realize they’re in the wrong career.

I did read your first post; I also read your later post in which you changed your mind and said specifically that no-one other than the actresses was to blame. But either way, the actresses aren't to blame at all. To be driven out of a career because you won't submit to sexual harassment is to be the victim of a crime; to be subject to sexual harassment is to be victim to another crime. People aren't to blame for becoming victims just because they got to choose between being victims of two different crimes.

They could have left before they were harassed.

I had a feeling that "I understand it's not easy " line was bullshit.

Maybe the acting profession just attracts insecure people who seek validation.

No. The proposal is harassment. And having to leave in order to avoid further harassment is still becoming the victim of the same crime.

Would you?
Would you quit a career you wanted all your life, went to school for, and worked hard to get to to go flip burgers, because some asshole kept flogging his dong at you?

Yea because I have self respect which is something a lot of actors and actresses don’t.

Yeah, when I look at the bored and beaten down looks on the faces of the kids handing me my cheeseburgers, I think "self respect".

At least they didn’t have to suck dick or get fucked for their job.

Are you asking for evidence that these actresses had to perform sexual acts for a part?

What if your BK manager whips his dick out?
What if it's a job at the end of the line, and there's nowhere else to go?
Do you become a self respect hobo?

No, I am asking for evidence that the same never happens in any other profession. After all, your solution here was to leave the profession before you experience harassment yourself.

The casting couch is well known in Hollywood.

Yes, but hardly to the extent that everyone entering the business should expect to be surrounded by crime. It's not as if they chose a career as televangelists.