Trek XI Enterprise concept.

If we wanted practical, Cass, we'd just build Borg cubes. Oooh....sleek!

I'd argue that is the icon for the entire franchise, not the Enterprise. There have been like 10 (8 of them with the name Enterprise) different main ships used in each series or movie, while has been pretty much constant, only in slightly varying forms.

And I agree with Cass that the original Enterprise just doesn't look that good or practical. It seriously looks like it could fall apart at any second, if it weren't for the duck tape that Scotty used in just the right places.

I'm only counting 7 Enterprises (ENT, 1701, A, B, C, D, E)

Plus VOY and Defiant is 9 ships.

Hmm, well, I guess one could count the nuclear aircraft carrier from TVH, and the Ent-J from that one episode of ENT.

Well, I count the TOS Enterprise and the movie refit Enterprise as separate ships (even if they weren't), because the refit looks a lot better.

but movie ENT 1701 and 1701 A are the same too...

I thought the 1701 refit was destroyed. Kind of the whole point of having the 1701-A, and I think it looked slightly different than the refit.

I thought they looked 100% the same but for the "A"

The sets were different, but the model was the same.

According to something I read somewhere (some tech manual or another back when I was a wee lad) about 70% of the TOS 1701's structure was completely replaced during the refit to the TMP 1701, it almost technically is an entirely new ship.

Not really... there were alot of diferences...



THe enterprise in TOS was a Constitution (or Starship depending on source) class ship...

The refit in TMP was it's own class, Enterprise Class....

The A from IV - VI was a Constitution II class ship.


THe diffrences between the Enterprise class and Connie II class is mostly internal.

I'm glad it's a prank.

I'm not too keen on the idea of this movie. A design like that being the real thing would make me

Hmm, I liked it. But then I always liked the "Akiraprise," too. If they went with a ship like this, I imagine the meltdown over at TrekBBS would be quite amusing.

Had that been "Enterprise Under Construction" art, it would have been pretty cool, except for the pylons being too wide. And then at the end of the movie we get the TOS Enterprise. And the antennae aren't just there during "The Cage", they're also visible in other episodes... I'm sure I saw them in "Mirror, Mirror", for example.

True enough. Very well accepted.

There is vague evidence to support this, but the issue is not canonically decided and there is great room for debate. Personally, I agree with you.

What is your evidence for this? I have never heard this before. In fact, if I remember correctly it was the REFIT Enterprise (not the A) that was identified as a "Constitution II Class" by the Klingons in STIII:TSFS. Personally I think that NCC-1701-A is the same class of ship as the refit NCC-1701.

Scotty looked at blueprints in STVI that nailed it home in canon as constitution refit.

And my wife thinks I'm a nerd. Good grief!

Love of beer cancels out nerdhood.

The difference between the NCC-1701 Refit and the NCC-1701-A are primarily internal. The internal arrangement of the secondary hull, for example, is entirely different, as is seen in the radically different hangar and cargo bays.

Well, going by strictly TMP, TWOK, and TSFS, the classes are clearly defined on screen with display and signage...

The FJ plans were shown on screen for The saladin, Potomley, Federation, and constitution classes. Nailing down those names/classes...

Signage refering to the Refit E as Enterprise were seen in TWOK and on TMP Production art...

No, the klingons refered to the refit as a "federation battlecruiser"...

Scottys place mat schematics in TUC identify the ship as a constitution class... The II designation after the class name diferentated between TOS/FJ Connies from the new Refit. Such a designation wouldn't be nessary once all TOS/FJ type connies were decommissioned/scraped... Which we can assume had happened by the time of TUC.

Internal differences were structural, with the Connie II haveing a diferent internal frame work with increased supports which reduced the saucer's internal usuable space (this is seen in the smaller officer quarters and in the enlisted bunk rooms). Also different was the Warp Drive engine, and the turboshaft system (the later can be seen in the bridge turbo alcoves and in the turbo shaft in the center of the shuttlebay fore wall)

No, they aren't "clearly" defined. They are vaguely defined. That's we are able to have grounds for an argument over it. Clearly defined things don't tend to have a lot of room for argument.

When? I don't remember those.

Are you talking about the Mark IV Simulator - Enterprise Class? If so, that possibly means that the simulator is a simulation of the bridge on an Enterprise Class ship. It could ALSO mean (since the Enterprise was now a training ship) that it is the Mark IV Simulator reserved for the use of the class of students assigned to USS Enterprise.

... which is non-canonical!

My bad... it was in the TSFS novelization and (maybe) comic adaptation.

That's all the canonical on-screen info we need.

Which is totally unsupported by anything onscreen and is strictly conjecture, and therefore, non-canonical.

http://www.trekplace.com/article09.html

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/sftm.htm

http://www.trekplace.com/article02.html




Some other related topic articals...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/constitution-refit.htm

http://www.trekplace.com/article06.html

Looks like something out of an anime cartoon.

No, Ted. Barely recognizable bridge displays that can only be deciphered by electronically enhancing DVD footage are NOT canonical.

Shame on you!

If I recall correctly, this is Shane Johnson bullshit and not to be listened to.

Ayup.

IIRC (and it's been a while since I've read them), it's from Jackill's Ships of the Star Fleet. The first one, not the recent "update". *










*While the update is "okay", there are some really wonky "facts" in there like shuttle complements and photon torpedo basic loads that just don't seem plausible (or possible, in the case of the shuttles). Plus, with the copy I got for Christmas, the freakin' ink smudges!

*watches ted, watches chaos descending*

NERDFIGHT! NERDFIIIIIIIIGHT!!!

FASA's RPG had tagged the refit 1701 as the 'Enterprise' Class as well.

This is a silly argument, but what happens if the shot becomes available in hd quality at some point?