Trump wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the US

I'd like to arrange a trade with Syria, sending those three idiots there, in exchange for 30,000 refugees.

Another complete lie, and one which again you'll have no evidence of. Such a blanket denial of entry would breach the US's obligations under the Refugee Convention (as would Trump's ban). A Syrian Christian can my an asylum claim either at the port of entry or, if they are able to get to one, an Embassy or consulate. abroad. It is a fiction to claim there is a policy in place that aplications from such people won't be accepted by default as that's illegal under the provisions of the Convention.

Please answer my questions coward. You "answer" above does not do so.

That nonsense you spewed about that picture? Why would I respond to a throw away picture like that? I imagine you think you are saying something profound, a muslim did something nice once, but who gives a fuck? I have repeatedly asked how you can reliably tell the difference between the quarter who support terrorism and the three quarters who do not (at least not yet). You can't anwser that question because there is no reliable way.

That is why it is better to just deny them entry and call it a day. Cheap, effective, and unlike your proposal (let them all in and hope for the best) it does not increase the likelihood of terrorism here.

My grandfather used to watch the Italian and German POWs work in the fields in eastern Oregon. We put them to work, but we didn't mistreat them.

Have you ever had to deal with the State Department before?

We've accepted 53 Syrian Christians. That's it for the entire war, and they probably got through by accident.

Bureaucrats are great at passing the buck, and in this case the State Department passed the buck to the UN refugee agencies that run camps - full of very angry Sunnis. Christians can't go to those because they won't be safe. Tons of Syrian Christians have filed applications for visas, but those will remain on the bottom of the pile.

But there's even more lunacy. Syrian Christians don't qualify for refugee status because they're not under any threat from their own government. Assad isn't persecuting or killing Christians, and no foreign power is, so they have no justification to come here that we will legally recognize. Sunnis, on the other hand, are being killed by their own government and can just go to the head of the line. Even ISIS members.

Some of them loved their time as POWs so much that when they retired they bought the US farms they used to work at from the farmer they used to work for.

ETA: There's a good story about German POWs in The Smithsonian.

We had 400,000 POW's here and they'd did farm work and factory work, played with American kids, and such. This points up that the death toll from letting an angry Muslim civilian woman in is higher than that from having hundreds of thousands of actual Nazi troops running around. The difference is culture, of course, having discipline and not being taught almost from birth to be a martyr and slay the infidel where ever you may find him.

Hmmm......I understand your natural reaction to what may seem to be GT's strong rhetoric, which may or may not be be part satire, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
But as a not by any means gun obsessed white boy who patronizes Walmart/Bass Pro Shops/Cabelas/Academy Sports/etc.etc. I must say that the Pasadena "shoot em' up" wasn't done by "white boys" or at least what my peers (blacks, Asians, Latinos, Caucasians) would call "white boys". And a semi-auto .223 (used in the shootings) wouldn't be considered an "assault rifle" by anybody but a gun-ignorant liberal or foreigner (no offense). The weapons were not capable of shooting "fully automatic" (fires as long as you hold down the trigger) with the option of "burst" (fires three rounds at a time) or "semi-auto" which means the weapon fires one round per trigger pull. Guess what genius? Every pistol fires one round every time you pull the trigger. This is called semi-auto. Some shotguns (the Remington 1100 for example) fire one round per trigger pull. Seeing a pattern here? The weapons used by the Pasadena couple fired one round every time you pull the trigger. So please give me the legal definition in the US of an "assault rifle". I have yet to see a 30 percent off sale on "assault rifles" here in Georgia. Matter-of-fact I have NEVER seen the term "assault rifle" here in Georgia. Can you please explain what your idea of an "assault rifle" is so I can wrap my mind around whatever it is you are talking about?

Well, that and if you treat people like human beings they won't bite the hand that feeds them.

Studies have proven many times that torture doesn't extract good info most of the time.

I was wondering just this morning when Dinner would come out of the closet as a Trumpista.

Honestly, I'm at the point where I think the NRA will only support any kind of gun reform if more brown people took to mass killing.

But you don't have to take my word for it .

ISIS isn't killing religious minorities and gays because minorities and gays mistreated them. They're killing them because it's their duty. All gays must be put to death. All adulterers must be put to death, at least if they're female. All heretics must be put to death. All infidels must be put to death. A majority of Muslims agree with those last two. So when you make some joke about God, a bunch of Muslims may think it's their duty to kill you.

How do you live with that long term? Well, we have the example from religious minorities throughout the Middle East. You shut up and don't say shit so they don't kill you. As we get more and more Muslims, we'll have to self-censor like many already do in Europe. You're not free if you can't speak your mind because you're afraid someone will try and murder you for it. So why would we want to give that freedom up just to feel politically correct, and feel that way at the expense of Jews and gays?

Odd, do you often have fantasies of events which never happened? I said I do not consider Trump a serious candidate and would not vote for him.

I did say I agree with restrictions immigration from high risk countries which essentially means muslim countries. That is not a change in my previous position as I have spoken about this at some length here before.

The Young Turks spoke about this very case the other day. Cenk said the same thing, "the only way to get these people to agree to gun control would be if black people started carrying guns then watch them declare how we need gun control."

Black people do carry guns.

Plus as an added bonus not letting them in stops stuff like this:

https://www.rt.com/news/318709-migrants-lawsuit-berlin-center/

And ironically, most Jews and gays understand that 99 percent of the US doesn't give a shit they are gays and Jews. Democrat, Republican, nobody gives a shit. I have gay relatives.....I just don't give a shit about their sexual preference. Some folks may not like gays and Jews, but know that they have no right to harm them, and really have no desire to harm them. Thus pretty much everyone who has been living here for a few generations will never harm these groups. Now the relative newcomers who are not so tolerant? Maybe not so much.

We've already had one Muslim serial killer who was arrested for murdering four gays execution style. He said "If a man sees evil then he must take action against that evil." Even if only two or three percent of Muslims feel that way, if you've got a big population of them those will get together and prod each other on, as they do in the Middle East where the regular Muslims live in fear of the craziness of the righteous ones.

I am reminded of when Reagan was governor of this state and signing gun bans with the NRA's blessing because too many black people were open carrying. Suddenly, Reagan and the NRA agreed open carrying should be outlawed.

It still is in this state because of the ban Reagan signed.

I'm reminded of stopping in Rockingham, NC to get some gas on the way to Wrightsville Beach last summer. A big "hood" looking black gentleman was in the Exxon store open carrying some cheap ass Llama looking pistol, and nobody paid it any attention.

I believe the black people Dinner's referencing were Black Panthers toting shotguns and rifles in the 60s.

Indeed.

Yabbut, as long as it remains black-on-black killing, neither gun grabbers nor thE pro weapon lobbyists give a shit.

Let black folks start shooting up schools like they used to in the 80s, and you'll see the right suddenly promote waiting periods longer than 48 hours.

And yet, we have two or three percent of American born Mentally Disturbed White Boyz committing 99 percent of school, mall and workplace shootings but you, Poodle, Oldfella and others of your ilk this that's a perfectly acceptable ratio to do nothing about gun violence.

Sounds like people in SF and LA got scared by the Black Panthers, who were completely in their rights to open carry, but otherwise mostly a bunch of criminal thugs riding the coattails of all the violent white hippies.

Virtually ever gun control measure in the United States was meant only to disarm blacks - and occasionally immigrants from Eastern Europe. After the 1940's the measures were only aimed at certain blacks, those who were part of violent black urban youth culture, and the focus was on concealed carry until the Panthers realized that they could just walk around with rifles preaching revolution. Ironically, Southern blacks depended on those rifles to keep the Southern Democrats from getting violent, and it worked.

And the big irony is that black panthers look like brunettes. Only their hair is black. Their skin is pasty white.

Dayton's right. We shoot up schools, regardless of grade level, on a semi-monthly basis.

It's a good thing Dayton was fired, or he would most likely be next.

Also, Async, please post more! I don't agree with you on most things, but you provide well reasoned arguments! I always enjoy reading your posts!

I worked for largely African American schools. No one shoots those up (not in a Columbine style attack anyway) and everyone knows it.

But we're prepared for it anyway.

And why shouldn't we? In those schools children are forced to work - without pay! How can that be right in any just universe?!

Discrimination against Muslim immigrants is draconian and illiberal, but it works for countries like Japan.