Trump wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the US

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  1. RickDeckard

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    "It's not as bad as the fearmongers are saying" does not equal "there are no issues" unless you are 1) one of the fearmongers, 2) functionally illiterate or 3) a fucking moron.

    I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and go with fucking moron.

    Are there issues? Yes.

    Are there issues worth abandoning our values over like a buncha pussies who are afraid of every shadow in case it's actually a very swarthy chap from Syria? No. We're better than that, even if you aren't.
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    NO. YOU IDIOT. READ THE WORDS ON THE FUCKING SCREEN.

    Most of the people on this board that agree with limiting immigration from Syria won't align themselves to you and your calling Muslims subhuman animal filth (or whatever you preferred insult for them is this week ).

    Chup is right. This kind of attitude is what enabled Hitler to rise to power, the attitude that made a Florida port turn a boat full of Jews away in 1939 before WWII broke out...an action that sentenced most of the passengers to their deaths. The attitude that led to Japanese-American concentration camps and Jim Crow laws.

    Even Midnight Fuckup had enough sense to duck outta his Muslim bashing threads after one post. :jayzus:
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  5. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Yeah, that is certainly true....
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    I have to hand it to you, @El Chup, you've explained it all very well. It is an utter shame that it's falling on deaf ears.
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  8. gturner

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    Yeah, we need to import more people who practice extreme religious discrimination and bigotry - because their religion demands it.
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    Yup. But the failure of the bigots to properly explain any of their nonsense proves more than any of my posts do. It shows you both how easy it is for the weak minded to be suckered, but also how just a few moments of actual thought and attempt to explore the rhetoric and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, revealing the bigot for what he is. Dinner, for instance, is now calling me an terrorist enabler, a goat fucker and any other number of names and posting offensive images. Yet he couldn't even answer half of my posts in this thread directly because he knew he couldn't. As Socrates said, when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
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  10. El Chup

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    Maybe you should export people who practice extreme religious discrimination and bigotry, starting with Dinner and yourself. You two are far more like ISIS than any of us can or will ever be.
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    We're trying to export the bigots - who insist that their religion is superior to all others, who insist that Christians and Jews must submit to them and pay a tax, and that all others must be converted or executed.

    You're stuck in the idiotic post-modernist loop that all views must be equally valid, which immediately leads to ridiculous contradictions, such as that you're no better than a Nazi because they're equal too - since all societies are equally valid and we can't judge any of them because that would make us bigots.
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    US officials aren't allowed to ask questions about political or religious affiliations

    “The 2012 FBI directive to remove religious and political motivations from investigations and screening came at a time when the Obama administration was busy purging anything they believed might reflect poorly on Muslims, regardless of how it effected our national security,” national security consultant David Reaboi told The Daily Caller.

    Reaboi explained, “Since then — and now, presumably, in screening refugees, investigators are trained not to ask about all the key identifiers that would allow them to spot Islamic terrorists or other Islamists who want to do harm to America. Because ISIS, al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood understand themselves in precisely those ways, they’re prevented from asking anything meaningful beyond, ‘are you a terrorist?'”

    “‘Are you a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? What school of Islamic law do you follow? Where do you go to mosque? Do you believe someone who insults Islam deserves to be killed? Would you like to make America an Islamic country?’ All of these questions — the most important ones — are off-limits,” Reaboi said.

    Carefully screened and vetted my ass.
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    This guy disagrees with Trump, too. I don't know if it's a parody or the real thing, but I can't stop laughing. Simply brillant! :jan:

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    So you think a trained member of ISIS would answer those questions honestly?
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    I think he makes Trump's point. Muslims responds by screaming and waving a knife and making threats.
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    How would we tell who is a trained member of ISIS? We're probably not allowed to ask that. We're not allowed to ask what mosque they go to, or what branch of Islam they follow, or which imams they respect. We're not allowed to ask them their opinions of various Muslim leaders. We're not allowed to ask them political questions. We're basically not allowed to ask anything that might let us tell if they're a wacko crazy Muslim who wants to impose sharia law on Americans and believes homosexuals should be executed or whether they disagree with that kind of thing.
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    I am no friend of Islam and very sceptical when it comes to mass immigration of muslims to Europe, but not even me thinks that this guy represents the average muslim. Islam is shit, muslims are not. People like you or Dinner forget that they would be true muslim believers too if they had been born in Saudi Arabia or been "educated" in a Koran school in Pakistan.
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    Yeah, that guy can stay the fuck out and we don't lose a single thing. A muslim screaming and waving a knife, he just made the case for me. It reminds me of the "refugees" who attacked the church in Germany.
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    I would never be a true muslim believer. Shit, I was born a Christian and didn't even stay that. So you are way off base.
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    Dinner, you've proven yourself intelligent and thoughtful on occasion in the past.

    Are you certain that you haven't gone even a little overboard with the anti Muslim stuff lately?
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    A skilled interrogator can trip up most people.
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    I probably have to some extent but I am so tired of the barbarians attacking and killing.
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    Terrorism didn't begin with the modern era Dinner.

    the only difference between now and the 1970s is social media.
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    You either didn't understand or are ignoring my question. Even if those questions were asked, isn't it more plausible that someone intent on committing an act of terrorism would be trained to not answer honestly?

    And do you think the TSA is capable of screening them?
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    The TSA doesn't screen them. They just look at nekkid X-rays as people go through the airport.

    Most of the Muslim terrorists aren't trained at any interrogation techniques, and most of them are balls of anger waiting to explode. Poke at them a little bit and they'll lash out. There will be a few who are good at it (probably native Syrians and Iraqis who grew up in a police state and had to deal with a frightening domestic intelligence apparatus), but there's not going to be a whole lot of those. What the question would easily weed out are the ordinary terrorist-sympathizing Islamic-supremacist Muslims. The ones who may not be part of any plot but who are already radicalized or ripe for radicalization.

    So we should be asking questions about ethnicity, background, political beliefs, and so on. If you're interviewing a Syrian, are they Sunni or Shia (we apparently can't ask that). What do they think of Assad and his regime? (If they're extremely bitter and of fighting age it might be a red flag). What do they think of Syrian Christians? Syrian Druze? Syrian Alawites? What do they think of Israelis? What do they think of the US bombing campaign? What do they think of Obama? If they say they like or admire Obama they're lying and saying what they think we want to hear.

    But we can't ask any of those questions. Yet the political elites in the administration are telling us the vetting will be the most thorough ever. We know that's not true, and that we don't even have access to any way to confirm what anyone claims about their place of birth, their residence, their age, their name, or their activities. The Syrian refugee information is a black hole, as if they washed ashore from a shipwreck from a country that no longer exists. In large part that is literally true.
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    In another thread I just linked a story about Monday's Muslim attack in San Bernardino. Yeah, the big shootout was five days earlier.

    VICTORVILLE-(VVNG.com): “I would die and kill for Allah” yelled Mohamed Elrawi as he chased his terrified neighbor with a sword during a dispute. Just before 5:10 p.m. on Monday, December 7th deputies from the Victorville Station responded to a subject that was brandishing a weapon on the 14000 block of La Paz Drive.

    Due to the nature of the investigation, a search warrant was obtained for the search of Ellrawi’s home. During the execution of a search warrant detectives located a Koran along with several other items leading investigators to believe Elrawi may be a radicalized Muslim. “Sheriff’s Intelligence Division was notified of the investigation. Deputies began surveillance and at a little after midnight, Elrawi returned to his apartment and was quickly taken into custody without incident,” said Sgt. Dave Burgess.
    Yeah, it used to be a nice county, but it looks like they let in too many Muslims.
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    Do you ever take any time off of the internet? Every time I stop by here one of your posts appear within a minute or two in virtually every thread. I looked a your post history for the past day and you've posted round the clock every single hour, save for a 7 hour break, which is presumably when you slept.

    Do you not work, eat, go out, watch a movie, see human beings? Or are you just another John Castle sitting at home alone?
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    I'm an engineer/programmer. The Internet is always just a click away. And if you look at other days you'll see huge gaps. I used to have gaps that extended for months because I'd be in the field a lot and we usually couldn't access the Internet at customer sites.
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    A letter from a female Czech doctor working in a German hospital.

    The letter was read on Czech TV but German authorities censored it in Germany. That is what we have come to, the PC police censor people and attempt to prevent the truth from being told.
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