UC Berkley students go nuts. Riot over speech.

Everytime this happens conservatives make it clear that they don't understand the right to free speech. You can be a liberal and fully support free speech and still be against your university giving some asshat a platform from which to promote their particular brand of bigotry. I do think these protest are counter productive because neither myself or anyone else would know who the fuck Milo whatever his last name is if it weren't fir their protests of him. Indeed the only thing I do know about him, and I'm sure it's the same for the majority of folks out there, is that college liberals really dislike him.

4chan started as an image board back in the day and allows anonymous posting, so yeah....the threads cycle through pretty quickly.

I won't link to there for the same reasons, but here's a screenshot of their format. With all the Muslim hate there, you'll feel right at home at the Politically Incorrect board (or /pol/)

This was a public university. A government owned university.

And the point of college is not to feel "safe" from thoughts and ideas you find abhorrent.

And we need to stop calling people liberals when clearly they are leftists. Real liberals would support Milo's right to be there and give his trolling speech. The leftists on campus are attempting to prevent people from speaking at all.

And it's not just Milo. It's anyone one the right and they are instantly targeted if they try to speak on college campus.

Ben Shapiro, a conservative, has had his speeches interrupted. He's had his visits cancelled after universities bent to the pressure of leftists. He's even had one university tell him they would arrest him if he stepped foot on the campus. Why? Because he has views that leftist hate. And he's not even close to a troll like Milo.

You can't claim to support free speech when you try to shut down every single person who doesn't agree with your worldview.

Exactly. It isn't just the ignorant Ann Coulters of the world who the leftists try and silence but also people like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice.

If you support the silencing of speech you disagree with in public universities then you are NOT a true advocate of the first amendment. Period!

Oh, Coulter's not ignorant - she's quite smart.
She just happens to also be completely bugfuck crazy, is all.

In terms of the general public, it might seem counterproductive. But since his trolling of individual persons has resulted in violence against them, keeping him away can be extremely productive in terms of self-preservation.

(Of course, neither of those points justifies riots -- but protests, certainly.)

He's welcome to speak wherever they'll have him, but no-one is forced to provide him with a venue. Unless a state-owned university provides a platform for EVERYONE else who wishes to speak there, they have the right to select speakers, they have the right to heed their students' opinions when they make or rethink that selection, and the students have the right to voice those opinions.

Again, this obviously only justifies protests, not riots.

And the students have a right to protest or better yet not attend, but not riot.

That's why I was careful to say that UC Berkeley is a government, taxpayer, owned institution. And Berkeley does provide a platform for lots of speakers. As we see it even provided the venue for Milo.

Does Berkeley pay its students' education fees? If not, that "taxpayer funded" BS can fuck off and you can blame the individuals concerned, like your ilk always preach (but don't practice) personal responsibility.

Berkeley is owned by the taxpayers. It receives taxpayer funding. And really it's not even about Berkeley. It's the students who are causing the problems around the country.

Your third sentence nails it, the rest are just you flailing around to justify your shit.

Justify what?

So basically he's saying he's a guardsmen and will do whatever his state governor orders him to do, and the closest he comes to anything is suggesting that if his governor doesn't pull a South Carolina, he will elect a new governor. Not quite what you were describing, but thanks for going through the trouble of digging that up.

It's funny how 4chan is suddenly a viable source when it wasn't when it came to pissgate.

Yeah I tend to tune most of it out as well, but you'd figure you at least would notice it passing your sphincter.

Therefore riot, vandalize property, and assault anyone you think is on the other side? The thing conservatives did to demonstrate they don't understand free speech was the creation of those "free speech zones" I mentioned earlier, and to destroy the Dixie Chicks' livelihood because how dare they say anything bad about what the government is doing. And now the regressive left is doing the same thing.

More tolerance intolerance from leftists.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/0...yu-over-conservative-speakers-appearance.html

So is a courtroom, so is the mayors office but you don't have a legal right to walk in there and shout at him or her for three hours. If Milo is a registered student then he'd probably have the right to stand on the lawn and spew his nonsense but the school isn't obligated to provide him an auditorium and a stage. And again for you morons you have a right to say all the vile, hateful bullshit you want. You don't have a right to a platform from which to say it or an audience to receive it.

Where exactly did I voice support for any of that?

Unless a state-owned university provides a platform for EVERYONE else who wishes to speak there, they have the right to select speakers.

Again, there was no indication these were students doing this. The police reports specified that the arrested individuals engaged in the violence were not connected with the university.

Berkeley isn't required to give a platform to everybody who requests it. Do you not realize how impractical that would be?

The fact that UC Berkeley is partially taxpayer funded and gives a platform to a lot of people does not automatically create a right for speakers like Milo to spew hate speech. It is a not a government institution. No one is denying Milo his right to free speech, but that right does not include forcing institutions to give him a platform to do so.

You are not advocating for free speech. You are advocating for violating the liberties of an institution you disagree with.

Cal Berkeley canceled the speech out of safety concerns, not censorship. If they didn't want him to speak, they could've just told him to kick rocks and not allowed him there at all.

The GOP, of course, protect the right to free speech to the hilt: http://crooksandliars.com/2017/02/hawaii-state-representative-ousted-gop

The school can say no but it has to be a valid reason. Unlike a private school UC Berkley just can't say no because it doesn't like his politics. Especially when they allow people who aren't students but are leftists to speak in an auditoruim and a stage.

That would be discrimination which is why they did allow him to be there in that auditorium and on stage.

And they selected Milo to speak.

Of course not everybody can speak there. The university does have some say but again it did give Milo permission to be there.

I think the three of you guys are arguing over the wrong issue.

Berkley did give Milo permission to be there and give his speech.

You might claim it's hate speech but I've listened to bits and pieces from his other speech and he's not doing hate speech. He's trolling. Hard. He would really fit in on this board.

The real problem at Berkley and other colleges around the country are students, leftists, who are under the impression they do not have to hear things they may disagree with. These students are acting like fascists. The schools are simply responding.

I didn't say they censored him.

However other colleges have. That's their right if they are private institutions but if public it's a bit more sticky.

And colleges are censoring people on the right. Students and speakers are being censored and harassed and driven off campus around the country. Not just Milo.

There were students there rioting with the professional rioters.

The guy who was beaten unconscious? That was another student who did that. Not a "protestor" in black.

UFC fighter Jake Shields "shielded" (HA! Get it?) a guy from a group of these thugs. The cops and bystanders wouldn't help the man in what was an escalating situation. Jake explains what happened here.

It's funny how 4chan is suddenly a viable source when it wasn't when it came to pissgate. [/quote]

Pissgate came from a different source. I got the info from that at democrat underground.
4chan has become very radical just recently. I think the echo chamber intensity over there is causing people to snap and/or attracting individuals who are about to anyways. Posters seem more emboldened after the inauguration.

And they can change their minds.

I keep telling people university would run so much smoother if it weren't for all these students getting in the way.

Under your own description lack of adequate safety is a perfectly legitimate and necessary reason to stop any event. Berkley did not toss Milo out because of his politics. If you claim that you are a liar. Berkley even added more police and security to be prepared for his event. That was not enough to deal with the violence Milo inspired. Perhaps Milo should consider toning his shit down. At any rate had they allowed Milo to speak they would have been responsible had he been harmed being they were in charge of security during the event.

You cannot have it both ways. If you are going to have the campus provide a safe place where they are legally responsible if the speaker is harmed then you cannot blame them for cancelling due to a large angry violent crowd. You can blame some in the crowd, and I am sure the police will look over footage and make arrests and charge people as they can. Since the college did not endorse or allow the violence they were not violating their rules or freedom of speech of Milo. Oh, and just because they do not allow violence does not mean it won't happen. It just means they punish those who they can convict.

Your official level of liar is zombie in a gasoline fire. AKA pants on fire.