US gov't shutdown

How long before @Marso retreats to his bunker muttering "WF has been overrun by libruls"?

You cannot prove a lie so....

My guess would be sometime after election day 2020.

@Marso should know that even when he has run away to avoid the ridicule we will still be laughing at him while he is hiding under his bed.

I think what he means is that if you take any given National Emergency from the past that is absolutely nothing like the one that Trump just pulled, say for instance, the '86 trade embargo against Libya, and you look at it long enough with the right amount of crazy, and you wish really really hard, you will find that they're the exact same thing.

Well, in the future I won't bother to say anything- you can just tell everyone what I meant to say instead.

I knew it!

You have to wonder ... are the right-wingers really so thick that they can't wrap their heads around it, or are they just being intentionally dishonest and hoping nobody will notice?

intentionally dishonest of course. There is no mistake here. The right wing is intentionally dishonest.

Let’s do that then.

The first National Emergency was declared by Woodrow Wilson and made wartime prosecution of shipowners who sold their vessels to enemy powers a priority.

No reappropriation

The second national emergency was declared by FDR and proclaimed a bank holiday.

No appropriation.

The third one activated the expressly delegated powers of the Cotton Control Act.

No executive appropriation.

The “limited” and “unlimited” emergencies declared by FDR invoked statutory options and drew from funds made available in law. No reappopriation.

Are you seeing a pattern yet?

The Korean War - Congress funded it, even if they didn’t declare it. No reappropriation.

Nixon broke the mail strike of 1970 with an appropriationless ordering of the National Guard and Operation Graphic Hans, in which military personnel delivered the mail.

Nixon’s Imposition of Supplemental Duties... proclamation did indeed appropriate... under the Tariff Expansion Act which explicitly (if perhaps unconstitutionally) gave him the authority to do so.

You’re 1 for 9 so far, and even the 1 was statutorily legal, the way this one isn’t.

Since the 1979 Iranian hostage crisis, there have been 45 national emergencies declared. 34 of them imposed sanctions on foreign governments or groups under various statutes. Real big reappropriations those are .

It’s 4:35 AM and I’m tired, @Marso, so how about you examine the other 11 and report back on how many of them did “this sort of thing”?

There should be a mushroom cloud over @Marso right now. Argument destroyed. You need to get a megawiner for this one.

Holy shit!

It'll be called Slaugtherhouse Six.

The other eleven happened after the National Emergencies Act was passed. I highly suspect () you won't find any appropriations in any of them.

So where's the current 3.5 trillion coming from?

Yup, it's a mix of tax money for medicare/aid and privately paid insurance, all of which would be obsolete.....

I repeat slowly for the hard of thinking, 3.26 is less than 3.5. It's cheaper than current expenditure.

Such as when?

He doesn't seem to be big on actual answers which aren't "duh libruls!"

He's probably one of the FOX viewers frothing in the comments section over Chris Wallace's takedown of Steven Miller about the wall and quite how this possibly constitutes a national emergency.

Thing is it's not difficult to equate calling this an emergency with being a snowflake....

@Marso seems to have missed the research that was done for him so tagging him in.