Where would you draw the line?

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Nova, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. TheLonelySquire

    TheLonelySquire Fresh Meat

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    Last I knew she had a daughter, supposedly by Bill. Now you're picking on my kids? THAT'S classy!
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  2. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Well, it's already perfectly easy to call gotcha on me - I gave all that intel away for free already.
  3. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Well, no, that's the exact opposite of what I asked for. I've said twice that political disagreements are not what I'm talking about here.

    What I'm asking for is if he does something that actively violates the integrity of the country. To go back to the previous example, attempting to expel all members of a given religion (or even all non-citizen members) would be, or should be, anathema to the definition of what this country is.

    (or for a historical example, Japanese internment camps were)

    That sort of thing, things that should go beyond party loyalty and partisan disagreements.

    By the way...
    In another thread, this would be an interesting point of discussion because it's based on a false premise but I said I wouldn't try to argue political points here.
  4. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Weak troll is weak.
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    Expelling non citizens would be perfectly justifiable.

    After all, nations (even the U.S.) have an absolute right to control who comes here and who stays here.

    Otherwise we aren't a country at all.
  6. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So only women who can reproduce are “real” women? Pig ignorant.

    You're the one who claimed you were training them to recognize the transgendered. What’s your methodology?
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    What is that definition? Where is it laid down? After all, some of the "founding fathers" were slave-owners. So presumably there's ample scope for disagreement on points such as this.

    As Huey Long said, when fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the American flag.

    That's a tricky one. Is the outrage the fact that US citizens of Japanese descent (as opposed to Japanese citizens) were interned?

    The same thing happened in Canada, where there was and is a major Asian community on the west coast. People were interned on the basis of the way they looked, not on the basis of the papers they carried. (Compare with Canadian citizens of German or Italian descent.)

    Well there was a war on and the government didn't know if it could trust the loyalty of these people. That isn't an excuse, but it is an explanation.

    Much of the scandal lies in the way it was done --- people came back after the war to find that their property had been appropriated by locals of European descent. It still rankles.

    There isn't even a world war going on (yet) but Trump has skilfully tapped into exactly this sort of Tribal Identity. It will be interesting to see just how far he tries to take this sort of shit. Could be that he views these as electioneering ploys, not serious policy proposals, and that he's far more interested in basking in his own magnificence.
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  10. Stallion

    Stallion Team Euro!

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    ISIS are pretty much smashed. You can't put this down to the next president.
  11. K.

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    Really? I wish this were true, but I see no indication of that. How do you figure?
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    I read something quite recently about how much ground they have lost this year, how many fighters have been killed and or deserted, with the general thrust being that ISIS were close to defeat. The challenge would be to ensure that what is left of it does not go into hiding and regroup over a few years. I can't find the article sadly. A quick google and you get plenty of hits about ISIS being on the backfoot and pretty close to being gone in terms of territory which it controls. Granted most of the hits are newspaper sites.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ll-Islamic-State-be-defeated-Iraq-Syria-daesh
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  13. Dayton Kitchens

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    I'm not sure you can judge whether that kind if radical group is on the verge of defeat by the amount of territory it controls.

    Does that work with a nonstate actor?
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  14. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I wouldn't think so. Even if the attempted-Caliphate fails and those countries get control of all their land again, we'll still have adherents to the ideology hiding in plain sight all over the world, staging attacks at random.
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