X-Men: Dark Phoenix

Is there a thread on this?

It's sound like it's a train wreck with critics and audiences alike.

 

I've seen some moderate-to-positive reviews.

I don't think it's a train wreck--like, say, 2015's Fantastic Four--but it doesn't sound like it's particularly good, either.

I'm still going to see it, but my expectations are very tempered.

(There is some discussion on this is the MCU Phase 4 thread, but this isn't the MCU, so I think it deserves its own thread).

 

Looks to me like it's even less faithful to the original story than the last time they tried it, with Famke Janssen as Jean Grey.

 

To me the Dark Phoenix story line has always been one of the most compelling of the X-Men franchise.

 

I just saw it, and dug it.
It's not among the best, but it's not among the worst.
It's a better one to go out on than Apocalypse.

 

https://dickynoo.blogspot.com/2019/06/big-2019-movies-part-8.html

 

I certainly didn't hate Apocalypse, but it was a step down from Days of Future Past.

If it falls in between those two, I think I'll enjoy it well enough!

 

Kirt Loder didn’t like it and does a @Kyle style review. Ouch!
https://reason.com/2019/06/07/review-dark-phoenix/

 

How are you supposed to have a really dramatic climax with a background character who's only real purpose was to be fought over as the romantic interest between two popular characters, one of which is not even in this particular story? Gene has barely been a part of this X-men series. There are so many other characters I would want to see expanded on, including many unresolved plot points which could be explored.

I was really glad to see the cyclops/wolverine pissing match over bland girl tossed out of this universe. It was so boring and cliche I was actually happy in Last Stand when she offed Scott so we could be done with that bullshit.

Oh well, I think I will wait for Netflix to watch this one.

 

Industry bean counters are saying it could lose Fox Between $120-140 million.

I don't get it, it's not that bad.
The critics are acting like it's the worst one ever, even giving it a worse RT rating than any of them, and it's just not.
It's better than "Apocalypse", and WAY better than "Last Stand", which is what it'll inevitably be compared to.
How in the fuck do you rate it worse than "Last Stand"?
I dunno, maybe people have been spoiled, and expect "Endgame", every fucking time now.
I just don't get it.

 

I haven’t seen it yet, but RLM did mention the same thing, Endgame raised the bar a little too high. Now everyone is expecting Endgame levels. And if they’re saying this as very cynical people, then you know it’s true.

 

Seeing it in half an hour.

 

went to see godzilla last night, almost couldn't get a seat, checked dark phoenix, almost completely free.

 

Saw it and enjoyed it well enough. No, it's not great and it's really for fans more than folks off the street, but it's reasonably entertaining.

Sophie Turner does a nice job, portraying a lot of emotion and inner conflict. And, boy, does she look evil when she's getting her Dark Phoenix on. MacAvoy seems very at home in the role of Professor X, and I find I totally accept him as the character without thinking about Patrick Stewart. Though he gets a few good moments, Michael Fassbender's Magneto is unfortunately relegated to unimportant supporting character. Jessica Chastain is nicely evil, but her character is a mostly generic villain.

The "X-Women" line is cringeworthy and the one f-bomb dropped is completely ineffective (shoulda given it to Jean Grey at the appropriate moment).

The plot? Well, it ain't Chinatown. You're not going to have any problem keeping up.

The VFX are well done. An action sequence involving a train is fairly impressive.

Yes, the ending has elements that come perilously close to Captain Marvel, but it's been made different enough that it isn't glaring.

A passable entry in the series--I liked it about as well as Apocalypse--but it isn't the send-off this franchise deserved.

6.0/10.

 

Oh, I almost forgot to mention a cool cameo...

 

Fuck! Forgot to mention it in my review too!

 

Ok, that alone makes me want to see it.

 

Clearly, the critics and movie audiences disagree!

Let's be honest, the X-Men films have been more misses than hits.

Logan was the only one that was actually worth a shit, and it's technically not an "X-Men" film.

 

They do disagree...with each other...



Audiences like it more than the critics do.

No, it isn't great. But it's decent, and parts of are pretty good.

 

Mike Stoklasa loved it, John Campea liked it. That’s all I need to know.

 

there usually seems to be a disparity between the paid reviewers and the general public. Hmmmmmm.

 

Deadpool disagrees. Twice

 

For various reasons, I don't consider the Deadpool movies to technically be "X-Men films" (although I appreciate that characters from each franchise appear in each film). One of the reasons is that the Deadpool movies are actually well-made and entertaining.

 

No True Scotsman.
Fail.

 

You're just mad that Deadpools are better X-Men movies than the X-Men franchise outside of Logan and Days of Future Past.

 

Thanks to the shitty critical and box office performance, we're probably not going to see an X-Men film again anytime soon. Doesn't mean we won't see the odd character pop up in an MCU movie, but I suspect the X-Men film franchise is going the way of the Fantastic Four (extinct, that is).

This article is two weeks old but points out what a train wreck the film really is.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...office-bomb-than-fantastic-four/#749e11ad50b9

 

As fast as Hollywood is cycling through old material, and as big as the X-Men have been over the past few decades, I suspect "dormant" is more appropriate than "extinct" for both those franchises.

 

I've never been impressed with the X-Men as movies. They have just lacked the excitement that the Avengers and their various movies seem to have.

Deadpool is a better X-Men movie than the X-Men movies and it wasn't even trying except as a joke.

 

Bingo.

 

I've enjoyed pretty much all of the X-Movies. Even that one. But in retrospect it seems like Fox was unwilling to fully embrace the glorious silliness of comic book superheroes the way the MCU has done. They tried to be all dark and serious and, as Maxwell Smart used to say, "missed it by that much." They're still good movies, tho.