Zuckerberg vs Congress

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  1. K.

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    Well, no. The differences are only be degree, but the difference in degrees is enormous. Pretending that all social media are alike protects Facebook against specific and much warranted criticism. There is a basic calculation to be made in all social media, weighing loss of control over your data against useful functions; but Facebook works against its users in ways that go far beyond those necessities.
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    They absolutely do, but I get more value from Google knowing where I am than I do Facebook. Google, for example, will give me traffic conditions in the area and recommendations for places. Facebook? Hours after I've bumped into someone I know, they'll tell me that person is nearby.
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  3. Steal Your Face

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    I deleted my social media accounts years ago for this very reason. Didn't we already know Facebook was doing this? I don't do Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat any of those. I do use imgur because it's the only way to post images here from my phone. Oh and I'm sure Apple does the same. I'm less worried about them and more worried about the NSA.
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    Point of order, no they don't. They sell they fact that they know who is staying at that hotel in case anyone wants to advertise to those people. Advertisers never know who stays there unless someone clicks an ad targeted specifically to people who were staying there and no one else (which is more granular than you can even specify in ad targeting).

    It may sound like a distinction without a difference, but it's actually a huge difference. It's the difference between Cambridge Analytica and Facebook's normal operations. CA got actual names and public profiles of friends of people who signed up for their app. Companies advertising to a hotel's guests don't. (And it suits FB's business model to keep it that way. If they actually sold the data to advertisers, there'd be no reason for those advertisers to keep using Facebook, they could target you with other, possibly cheaper, ad services)
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    It is indeed a huge difference, but as you just pointed out yourself, Facebook does not reliably make that difference.
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    In signing up for an app you have to affirmatively consent to share your FB data with that app. And since 2015, apps can’t get your friends’ data from that. Yeah, they fucked that up. But they fixed it 3 years ago. In the past 3 years they’ve been quite reliable about that.
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    Yes, but that only makes it legal. It doesn't make it advisable. And while you can't get very specific friends' data from that, you do get information about people's social environment.
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    So they say, but as this article points out, Facebook has a history of apologizing, saying they'll fix something, and then not actually doing that. Additionally, Facebook says that they're going to audit Cambridge Analytica to ensure that this time (for sure!) they've deleted the data they were supposed to have deleted years ago. I'm not a genius when it comes to computers, but even I know that this is bullshit. Hiding purloined data is a trivial matter for a company.

    Additionally, CA isn't the only firm to use such methods. I also have to point out that it wasn't Facebook which discovered this, but CNBC. Wanna bet that there's more companies out there doing the same shit we don't know about, and Facebook isn't looking at?

    Next, we know that CA hasn't limited itself to just meddling in US and UK elections. What we don't is how many other companies are doing the same thing.
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    any "mail order" Russian bride ads? Asking for a friend......
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    A hospital that I work at has multiple screensavers about hygiene, policies, and privacy on all their computers.

    Right now they have a screensaver that is talking about keeping things private.

    The title of the slide: Don't be a Zuckerberg

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    I'm sure that the number is only going to grow.
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    I, for one, am shocked! Well, not that shocked. You know, now that I think about it, I wonder what took them so long to realize this.
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    They claim that handing the information over to companies is to enure that their app works better. Seems to me that it's getting worse, not better.
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    I've been cutting away at my Facebook presence, but the vast majority of my friends are only accessible via the site. They find it much easier than sharing phone numbers or emails. I bet most of them would be curious as to why I would ask for an email rather than PMing someone via Facebook. I want to cut away from it completely, but I also run an account for a family member, which means I can't completely remove my account, though I can reduce it to almost nothing. I despise Facebook and what it represents.
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    I wonder what prevents it from bring profitable??? They should run healthcare too!