Have you Adopted a Soldier yet?

Cause democracy sucks.

Legislators count their effectiveness by how many new laws they can pass. How many laws do we really need?

True, so how do we solve this one? Please be brief and don't link me to some 10 page uber-specific explination.

This sounds like it would be a good place to visit. I hear they have a great feed store in Trinidad.

Why not give Anarcho-capitalism a try?


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1) Congress shall pass laws that contravene "mind your own business" and "keep your hands to yourself."
2) See One.

Or better yet -- "Congress shall pass no laws."

Mexicans are pretty efficient at yard work, I'm sure he'll find the time.

Er...when did I ever ask for anything but proof of protests before we accepted it as fact?

I've said time and time again that I am against eminent domain. I've said I can accept that people probably protested, but I just wanted empirical evidence. How the fuck then do you get "So you say no one is affected" from that?

I fail to see how extending a little military work ethic into the broader population will hurt the economy.

You keep banging that drum, but you seem to fail to realize that what the 14th Amendment giveth, the 28th, 29th or 30th could taketh away.

You don't think much through do ya?

Well, for one, a person who feels forced into a certain job won't usually be a very productive worked.

Secondly, many many people go right into the job market at 18. What will we do without them? A couple of years can be a long time when you're trying to put the rest of your life in order.

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Which would be a mistake, IMO.

Great, we've narrowed it down to 2 points. We're making progress.

2) That's the idea, the people who earn the right to make decisions do just that, make the decisions. If you don't like what they're doing then join up! Earn your voting rights and stop them.

3) We may not be able to prove it but we can definately state opinions or cite sources that may be relevant(although I don't plan on doing any serious digging). Can you tell me just briefly why you think that 1.5-2 years of service out of every 18 year old who wants voting rights would really have that dramatic of an impact on our economy? What is it that all these 18 year olds are doing now that would be missed so much or not somehow made up for by their service time? When people leave high school they tend to do one of 3 things: 1) get a job as unskilled labor 2) go through some sort of training program[college, trade school, or just real on the job training] or 3. join the military. So how would this program really change that?

I think you meant "IMWO", IMHO.

Not like there ain't 12-20 million illegal 's out there to take care of the unskilled labor like yard work and working the McDonald's drive through.

Actually in Texatopia they've all been executed.

Even TKO?

1) She's legal

2) There would be a "hottness clause" that allows for exceptions.

Not an illegal.

Sorry. I still think of TKO as "illegal" in so many ways.

She's Barely Legal.

Careful guys we don't want The Listkeeper to come in here and shut this thread down... oh wait... he can't anymore.

2) But why are we measuring someone's worth in society by what kind of physical labor or mindless tedium they're willing to put up with?
What you're essentially saying is that, because I know I would be a worthless soldier, I might not at some point have a right to own property. I at the very least wouldn't have the right to vote on laws that affect me.

Fact is, if people are making decisions that affect YOU, you need a say in such decisions regardless of whether some people think you don't contribute meaningfully to society. In contrast to Libertopia, this system essentially enforces tyranny of the "jocks", for lack of a better term, those who can and do perform better in more physically-oriented professions.

3) As for the cut-off date: I turned 18 the month before my senior year began. So my whole senior year, I was 18. Ok, so you make an exemption for those who haven't graduated HS yet, fine. But now I've got my mandatory two years service: By the time I graduate, I'm 21.

When I was 21, I had already completed MOST of my undergrad collegiate work. Many people I know had already started GRAD SCHOOL by the time they were 22-23.

Regardless of what you may think, that is a major set-back when you're supposed to be "set" in a career by your 30's. And then there's people who go to tech schools out of high school. In two years time, they already have a degree in electrical repair, engine mechanics, what have you, and can get started on their career at age 21.

My overall problem with this is that we're trying to determine somebody's "worth" based on what is a very arbitrary system. Not everyone's cut out for the military. Not everyone is worth having on a road crew. This is a pluralistic society we live in, and we can't simply jam everyone into a square peg and expect them to fit.

Except it's voluntary, no jamming is necessary.

As for Tex's other plans...

See, I don't see it that way.

By disenfranchising people, you're essentially saying "Do this, else you forfeit your right to liberty."