I'm gonna blame internet porn on this one.

11 yr old female as aggressor against 3 boys? Not gonna fly in this world. No friggin' way!!

Some teacher tried that shit with me when my daughter had a fight at school. 2 boys against her.

I told the principal.."Are you trying to say that my daughter started a fight with 2 boys???"

He caught himself and dealt with the boys. I even talked to their fathers. You think any one of those dads were happy that a girl beat them up?

That's right, they started and my kid finished it. But they all got in trouble. I told the principal to make sure those boys leave my kid alone.

Then me and my kid left and did a big hi-5 in the hallway. But she was still grounded.

Read again:

It's possible this happened--my brother was stopped by two girls who looked eleven once when he was still young himself, and they asked if he wanted to have sex with them. He turned them down.

I can't make assumptions on either side, because this is all too bizzare. If the girl is ignitiaing train pulling at that age, she needs to see a shrink, too, IMNSFHO. But I find it highly unlikely.

You saw the answer you wanted to see... not the real answer. In your case, they happened to be the same. That is far from always the case.


I approach any issue, problem, whatever opened minded to any possibility. I do not let my personal opinion on the matter to cloud my logical thinking.

No, I really think it is. I think it is far, FAR more likely that a few boys wanted to experiment, found a girl they thought was pretty, and threatened her unless she said yes.

Maybe not, and I really hope that's the case. The article says they tested the girl, but didn't reveal what the results were, just that the story was "credible". So I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Huh?

"Aggressor" is NOT a good word, as I doubt there was any aggression used at all. "Instigator" is probably a much better word to use.

Furthermore, the boys were EIGHT and NINE. Do you know how much of a difference there is between nine year old boys and eleven year old girls?

You bet your ass that girl could have been in charge of the entire situation.

Ok, mewa, what didn't you understand?

Before I made a real, final judgement on this, I'd have to know more about what these boys and girls are like. I used to volunteer for a "special needs" camp in high school, where the kids were referred to as "underprivaleged" (Read: Poor as fuck). Some of these kids, they were terrors. We had nine-year-olds who would blatantly grope the female counselors, and one time had a ten-year-old stab one of the counselors in the arm with a pair of scissors.

So I can easily imagine three boys like that terrorizing an unsuspecting 11-year-old girl. But, I don't know these kids. Don't know what they're like. We're working on almost complete supposition here.

Not intending to speak out of turn (on behalf of the esteemed Lt. Mewa), but I am guessing that you blew him away when you made this absurd claim: "I approach any issue, problem, whatever opened minded to any possibility. I do not let my personal opinion on the matter to cloud my logical thinking."

Let's face it, that's some of the funniest shit I have read in a lonnnnnggggggggg time.

You are one of the most closed minded, "sure of your own opinion" dudes that we got here.

Be honest.

they should all be in trouble. They shoulda known better. Its almost equivalent to shoplifting. Taking the lead from someone else to do something wrong.

When my daughter was young she told me about girls and boys that talked about sex. I've had to starighten out a number of boys and girls on that subject.

I've told cousins that there will be no 'kissin' cousin' business going on. i've told many boys to have respect. to treat girls that you are close to like a sister.

Those boys and that girl, got no good home training. For one, they all got to be out in the woods without anyone knowing where they were. The only palce my kid was that a parent couldn't see her was school.

In addition to "what the kids are like", it would also be helpful to know exactly what the fuck happened!

"Rape" in this case could mean anything from an extreme like forcing this girl to perform oral sex on them, to something tame like everyone taking turns poking each other in the naughty bits and giggling because they are "being naughty".

I agree completely. Just because behavior is sorta normal for a kid doesn't mean it's not something that ought to be discouraged.

Like I said, the two choices aren't "let them get off scot free" and "send them to jail".

A good ass paddling and a grounding would probably be all it takes.

The real story will never come out. The girls parents will say she is innocent little girl. They won't question others. There will be no character witnesses.

The boys have been accused. Its a precautionary tale for young boys.

Don't do it, even if they want it. Ene if they bend over and grab their ankles.

They will never, ever tell Daddy they are a whore.

ok.

I will be honest...


I am far from close minded. I am and always have been open to new ideas, theories... what have you. And while I am usually sure in my positions, I am not afraid or unwilling to question, rethink, or change them.


I have a logical detachment when it comes to problem solving. When presented with a mystery, problem, question, or whatever you want to call it, I never discount anything till it's proven to not fit the facts. I question everything. I look at any and all possibilities, regardless of my personal beliefs, or opinions, because they can cloud the real issue. Getting to the answer. The real answer.

Now, all that being said. When I pick a position from which I will be basing an argument for the purposes for debate, I will work from that position strongly. Even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

I don't think you understand what logical detachment means.

I wasn't with you through most of the thread until this.

That, right there, is the beat all end all moral to this story.

The only crap thing now is that these three boys have a stain on them they can't wash off if this ends in a conviction- unless the records are expunged when they reach adulthood.

Your above statement makes no sense due to the use of 'logical detachment'.

If it makes anyone feel better, most certified serial rapists usally get out on good behavior and maybe complete a whole five years of their sentences Since these are kids, they'll most likely be released in time to start middle school.

Point of order:

Your concerns about practicality aside, if the man(boy) is willing, circumstances permitting, and the woman (girl) is willing, either she's not a whore (slut) or he is too.

Um, Ted. I know that each and every one of us thinks that we have superior reasoning skills, but part of debating is using evidence. You can commit fallacy after fallacy to confuse your opponent, but the evidence (the "facts" as it were) are not going to change.

What world do you live that a boy(man) could be considered a slut?

the girl will never tell her parents.."yes, I wanted to have sex with 3 boys."

Way to miss the point, methinks.

I believe Mewa's referring to perception and not truth.

The girl would be seen as a slut, the boys as studs. It isn't fair, but it is how things would play out. And the girl would never want to admit that she enjoys getting gangbanged to her parents.

I think what might happened was the girl wanted to have sex with the boys so she did and the parents are wigging out over it because of the rather draconian attitudes towards sex this society has. Essentially that a young girl can't be interested in sex at all no way no how and must be protected at all cost.

But still, there is a term called statuatory rape rape which means that the sex was consentual even if the person who consented was underage because an underage kid has no ability to consent.

So that may be the actualy crime being charged. Not forcible rape.

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http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape

Are you bugged or something??? The kids in question are 9-11 yrs old.

So when you have kids you can drop the so-called draconian attitude and let your 11 yr old daughter have sex.

Right.

He wouldn't be.

which is what's unfair.

Take it out of the context of these kids a minute.

Male college student, is well known to get laid 2-4 times a month, usually one night stands with different girls.

What is he? A playa? A Casanova? Lucky? a Stud?

Whatever term is applied, it won't be derogatory.

Now, make that same student a girl and what will she be caled?

A tramp? Slut? Whore?

Why?
what's the difference?

Society.

There is a difference between letting and understanding when she gets caught experimenting.

Which is always right?