I'm gonna blame internet porn on this one.

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  1. Lt. Mewa

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    Three boys, 8 and 9, charged with raping 11-year-old girl

    MARIETTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Three boys, ages 8 and 9, were charged Monday with raping an 11-year-old girl last week, court officials and police said.


    Cobb County, Georgia, District Attorney Pat Head speaks to reporters Monday outside juvenile court.

    "Never in my 20-plus years of law enforcement have I conceived of something like this," Police Chief Michael Wilkie of Acworth, Georgia, told CNN.

    Clad in blue jumpsuits, the two 9-year-olds and one 8-year-old appeared in court in Cobb County, north of Atlanta, on Monday afternoon and were ordered to remain in custody until a further hearing. Family members were in court for their appearance, which was closed to reporters.

    Wilkie said the girl told investigators she was raped Thursday evening. She was examined by doctors after her family reported the allegation late Saturday, and investigators questioned her extensively on Sunday, he said.

    The father of one of the boys told The Associated Press that no force was used against the girl, and said the allegations have been leveled because the accuser "didn't want to get in trouble with her parents." Watch chief describe parents' reactions to charges against their sons »

    But Wilkie said children that young cannot legally consent to sex, "so we have to go with the charges we have."

    He told the AP one of the boys was accused of threatening to hit the girl with a rock before the alleged assault.

    He also said the investigation is "far from over," and investigators are looking into claims that after the alleged attack, the girl talked about it with her friends at a slumber party, the AP reported.

    "The investigators who are following up on this have had a lot specialized training of forensic interviews with children," Wilkie told CNN. "We've sent them to a number of courses for this, and so we're confident that we've done that part of the investigation as best as we can. We think her story at this point is credible and that's why we went forward with the warrants."

    He said investigators have lined up counseling for the girl, "and we'll follow up on this and hope that it comes to as best a resolution at the end as we can."

    The girl's mother told WGCL-TV in Atlanta, "They do need to be taught a lesson because if they do it to her, they could do it to somebody else. And who knows when they become teenagers what they can do to other girls."

    Cobb County District Attorney Pat Head told reporters the current rape charges against the boys would be replaced with juvenile charges, since they are too young to be prosecuted on felony charges. Under Georgia law, juvenile defendants must be at least 13 before a case can be transferred to the adult system.

    The juvenile charges could bring up to five years probation and time in a state youth home if the boys are ruled delinquent.

    Juvenile Court Judge A. Gregory Poole imposed a gag order on participants in the case, limiting further explanation, Head said.


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    I certainly did not know about sex when I was 9. I mean I was aware but it was not on my mind. I did not know about screwing. I knew that people got naked and did something. What? I don't know.

    I also blame parents and their unhidden porn collections.
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  2. Sean the Puritan

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    How does that not also hold true for the boys? :huh:
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  3. Tex

    Tex Forge or die. Administrator Formerly Important

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    :wtf: I really don't know what to say, you're probably right.
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  4. Lt. Mewa

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    So uhhhh...you think maybe that one girl raped those boys?

    What exactly is your point here?
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    The dirty little truth is that even if you do everything right, the kids who DO get raised by inattentive or neglectful parents go to school with, and socialize with, the kid you are raising right.

    and kids listen to other kids. Even well parented kids.

    so, is it these kids parents....or are they acting out something they picked up from their peers?
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  6. Nova

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    Indeed. If it only came down to that - who raped who?
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    The point is if you invoke the word RAPE simply on the basis of "legal inability to consent" instead of "forced intercourse" then none of the participants had the legal ability to consent - so who do you charge?
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    I heard about this on the news...


    This case is headaches all around, whether the boys did what they are charged with or it was just kids experimenting.

    At this point there is no way for it to end well.
  9. Sean the Puritan

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    Legally, the girl raped both boys just as much as both boys raped the girl.

    That is, unless the boys did use force, but the charges are not filed that way. The charges seem to be filed based on two facts:
    1. Sex took place between two boys and a girl.
    2. The girl is underage.

    This is not a fair charge when you discount fact #3
    3. The boys are underage.
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  10. Lt. Mewa

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    I don't see these kids being the ones from a good home that listened to some sex talk from the sideline.

    And I bet they have done this before.
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    She and her family have accused the boys of rape. But I'll wait and see if the boys accuse HER of rape.:garamet:

    I feel you are on the wrong track with that underage business.

    A 14 yr old can rape an 11 yr old. Are you trying to say there is no rape because both parties are underage? :wtf:
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    Assumptions really won't get you very far though, all you need to do is read Black dove's thread about his friend. Your speculation is no more than awild guess, even if I tend to think it's more likely.

    But kids from "good homes" DO end up being the ones who did the bad bad thing sometimes.

    And, frankly, if this was just some kids experimenting and the girl is covering her butt, then they are not doing anything that should be shocking to anyone who's spent time in a Middle School. And I promise you its not just the kids from "bad homes" who are "experimenting"
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  13. Lt. Mewa

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    Its messed up for those boys cuz I don;t see the girl turning around and saying..'Hey, ya know what, I wanted to do them all. It was my idea.'

    3 boys, one girl....the boys are gonna lose this one. The parents are gonna stick to rape. Watch.
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    I never said that they ought to accuse her of rape. Kids that age fuck around and experiment. Everyone did it. If you didn't do it, then your childhood was the aberration not the norm.

    Yeah, but they aren't 14 and 11, they are 8, 9 and 11. That's a HUGE difference.

    If there really was no kind of threat or coercion, then yes, that's exactly what I am saying.

    As I already said, if there was force or threats, then the rape charges would stand based on that alone.

    But the cop in charge said "children that young cannot legally consent to sex, 'so we have to go with the charges we have.'" Makes it sound like he doubts that there was any force, but hey, the kids are underage, so you gotta file charges.

    EDIT: In fact, because the girl IS the oldest one (at that age 2 years might as well be 10), I bet you even money that she's really the culprit here, she talked the neighbor kids into flashing their winkies, and when she got caught, she made up a story.
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    Well yeah, what parents want to admit that they have a skanky ho as a daughter.

    ;)
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    I'm reserving judgement until I hear the full report. In the same way the girl couldn't consent to sex, I seriously doubt the boys either raped her or understood the full ramifications of what they tried to do.

    How do you try them as adults, though? Are you going to send a nine-year-old to Pelican Bay?
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    "Cobb County District Attorney Pat Head told reporters the current rape charges against the boys would be replaced with juvenile charges, since they are too young to be prosecuted on felony charges. Under Georgia law, juvenile defendants must be at least 13 before a case can be transferred to the adult system.

    The juvenile charges could bring up to five years probation and time in a state youth home if the boys are ruled delinquent. "
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    That's somewhat true NOW. It certainly wasn't true when I was nine.


    My 10 year old son hasn't got the slightest clue or care about such things except that time when he rated out his brother for looking at manga porn on line.
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    If they DID threaten her with a rock, as the article implied, then yeah, it's rape, and these kids are seriously fucked up.
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    well you can call me grandpa now cuz that shit is crazy. 9-11 yr olds having sex is the norm?????

    Are you crazy!? They might be thinking about it but it is not common. Its not something you should shrug off as just another thing kids do.

    I didn't grow up in the 50s but I wasn't on a sex track at 9-11 yrs old. neither were the kids around me.

    Over the years I have spent much time with young kids. I'm pretty familiar with their interest. Obviously, they wouldn't share everything with me but from all that I coul dobserve, most of the kids were not thinking about boyfriends or girlfriends at that age.
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    I agree.

    I liked girls at around age, I dunno, four, but I didn't know what to DO with those feelings until much, much later. Hell, I didn't even know that girls had such radically different plumbing down there till I was about 11 (Which I blame on the refusal the schools had to actually EDUCATE us about such things).

    I don't know ANYONE who ever "experimented" in such a sexual way when they were that young. We all hear about playing doctor and what not, but I don't know any kids who were even getting hard-ons back then.
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  22. Sean the Puritan

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    Do you know how to read? I said experimenting is the norm. "Playing Doctor". "Show and Tell". These things are not "sex", but they are sexual experimentation. It's so common that to say, "all kids do it" isn't that huge of an exaggeration.

    Or do you think that these 8/9 year old kids actually got some kind of erection and penetrated this girl? I think that this is not a realistic scenario.

    I assure you, I am not crazy. There is a huge difference between "something you should shrug off as just another thing kids do" and "let's send them to juvie because they are little perverts". Probably just need to have their asses paddled and be grounded for a month.

    As I said, unless they used force or threats, which I seriously doubt.

    At 9-11 years old, you didn't know that girls had no pee-pee but boys did and never wondered why that was and what it looked like? I highly doubt that this is the case.
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    I remember back when I worked for the local Housing Authority, they had an incident with a couple of kids that started stripping outside one of the offices and imitating something they had obviously seen at home.

    And they were 5 or 6.

    :soma:
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    I think these boys need mental help more than jail, if this is indeed what happened. Something like that has to go way beyong seeing a porno lying under daddy's side of the bed, or even general bad parenting. :wtf:

    I agree with Mewa that it's not likely this girl was going out experiementing, nor would these boys if they were normal in the head. Kids are pretty sexualized at an early age, but usually not before graduating grade school.
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    At 9 I was probably still playing with G.I. Joe and collecting baseball cards. Girls we would beat up if they ventured into our G.I. Joe war zone.

    I will admit to pulling up a few skirts. that's it.
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    You are assuming the boys were the real aggressors...
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    Now the truth comes out.
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    Oh yeah, the girl forced them to fuck her. :rolleyes:
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    :rolleyes:


    The girl being older... She may have been the "aggressor", talking the boys into this. She talked about it at a slumber party, someone told their mom, that mom told her mom... she got busted and says the boys forced her and told her they would beat her up if she told her mom...



    Not unthinkable.
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    The oldest boy being NINE, I would say that no fucking whatsoever was going on.