[wyt=If it was inlined would you be any less boiling over with rage?]CZ-4gnNz0vc[/wyt] Or is it still not good enough?
Creepifying propaganda, with just enough basis in fact to sell it to someone who already wanted to believe. Did I mention creepifying? The theme music, some of those turns of phrase and the dude they chose to recite them, just....yeesh.
Thing is, the video presents its point of view, whatever you may think of it, a lot more compellingly then probably any political commercial by either major candidate you will see this year. i'm not sure why folks are saying "propaganda" like it's a shocking thing. This is totally representative of typical political discourse in this country. There's nothing remarkable about it except the quality of the production/script/delivery. It's no more "hysterical hyperbole" than when Nancy Pelosi stands to the well in Congress and tells you how evil the Republican policies are.
I stopped watching after about a minute and am now mad that I will never get that one minute of my life back. Talk about retarded nonsense.
except it's been that way since day one, and "failing" is manifestly NOT been the result (so far) and, snobbery aside, I expect from watching the Prime Minister's Questions from time to time, that it's not exclusive to ugly Americans.
Isn't that the whole problem, though? It was emotional drivel, about as "factual" as the partisan stuff you get from Oerdin, except slanted the other way. Sorry, I can do without both of them. I'd rather think for myself.
worth watching.. typical responses from the caricatures of "compelling and insightful rationale" the always b-b-b-blustering UA and the cellar dwelling truant "no-dicky" .. who's profound response included raincoat and Huey Lewis... had me rolling on the floor... my poke in the eye before working outside with my horsey.... rage on cubicle dweller
Y'know, if I wanted America to fail, I'd keep voting for the same tired idiots for Congress every time, just because they had the "right" letter in front of their name.
There won't be, as long as political choice is made on the basis of hyperbolic emotionalism like the OP, and not by thinking things through. The other problem is that too many people don't understand that the only way they're going to find the "perfect" candidate (i.e., the guy who thinks exactly the way they do) is to run themselves. So they sit back and bitch about how there aren't enough choices, and other people make the choices for them.
Heard something about pessimism that seemed to make a lot of sense. Pessimism is the easy way out. If we are doomed to failure, then there is nothing we as individuals can do to stop it, so why even bother? Pessimism removes all responsibility from the individual for the situation that we are in. 'Oh, The Corporations have total control, or the Two Parties, or The Government, or _________, and there is nothing little ol me can do about it, so I might as well just sit in my Lazy-Boy, shove Doritos by the fistfull down my gaping maw and just watch Star Trek." Which is exactly what The Powers That Be want in the first place. Nice and complacent. Why even bother to fight, just sit back and take it, it will be easier for everyone that way. Optimism on the other hand is much harder b/c if there is a chance that the ship can be turned then my actions DO COUNT, as do my INACTIONS. I've got to get off my ass to go to the School Board Meeting, the Public Comment at City Hall, this political organization or that one, to run for my Neighborhood Council, to write letters to the editor to try and sway the opinion of my fellow citizens, to get involved in building coalitions to try and change the way our government works.... etc. etc. So much easier to just give up and go back to Star Trek...
Tried. They don't listen. Tired of . Because we tried. And they didn't listen. And we're tired of . I know, I know, keep trying. Tired.
Agreed. does anyone rationally expect either of them to go away? I sure don't. Everything said about this video to me is the equivilant of saying "politicians lie" and "the sun came up this morning" It is what it is - what can be done?
My cynicism comes more from the sense of a tipping point that's already passed. I am optimistic about several things - the progress of equality for instance. but on economics, and the two-party power structure, far less so (and that will dim even further if Johnson doesn't do at least as well in the fall as Perot did) there comes a point in any process in which the point at which you can turn around has passed, the momentum is too great, the cliff is too close. I might be wrong about that - but that is why I'm cynical about it. I - in my ill-informed layman's view - don't see how the political paradigm can be shifted enough to then shift the economic paradigm enough to avoid the cliff...I think there are too many powerful actors with too great an investment in the perpetuation of the current system. Would be nice to be wrong.
That's the same mentality that yields us silly bullshit like "If you're not with us, you're against us," and "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference." Sometimes pessimism is the correct response to the reality that confronts us. Sometimes the system can't be "fixed from within," and in those cases you're actually working against any meaningful change by participating. Implying that your symbolic participation in something doesn't qualify as "taking it," that you're not being lulled into complacency by a false sense of inclusion. My fellow citizens have no interest in what I would have to say about most things, and minus that non-existent potential, all you're left with is fueling your own sense of self-satisfaction, which I realize is an end unto itself for you. I'll put plenty of effort into something that returns some material benefit, but empty symbolism, some perception that I'm part of something even if it's just a bunch of opinionated assholes jerking each other off? Not worth getting out of bed.
