Shot for getting skittles

Rightfully so. The new information isn't remotely as meaningful as garametforge thinks it is.

Again, I'm not questioning whether Zimmerman is right to feel assaulted.

I'm questioning whether, if he had his head bashed to concrete repeatedly by someone openly intent on killing him, he would only have taken injuries that didn't need stitches.

We can spitball anecdotal head injuries we have suffered all day. I happened to sustained a couple -- I was hit in the head with a bat as a kid (got too close to someone who was swinging during a game) and I was dragged by a bus. Both times I needed stitches.

I openly admit it's possible that I am wrong and that it is possible that repeated bashing of head to concrete would result in no major injury. And I have said that all along.

That said, I'm not suggesting that if the attack he suggested happened he would necessarily have a skull fracture. I do think it would likely result in at least an injury requiring stitches. The skull may be tough, but the skin is not.

Can people here openly admit it's possible that the fact that Zimmerman's injuries were minor means he's lying about what he sustained?

It's unclear to me what the positions were or how many times the bashing was attempted or how much resistance Zimmerman was offering at the time. But, not knowing any of that? I'd say lacerations to Zimmerman's scalp are credible evidence of his head being knocked on the ground, yes.[/QUOTE]

The statement provides some detail as to what happened.

Zimmerman says that he was being prevented from being able to sit up by Martin. He also says, "The suspect grabbed my head and slammed it into the concrete sidewalk several times. I continued to yell 'Help!' each time I attempted to sit up, the suspect slammed my head into the sidewalk..."

It seems from the description there that Zimmerman is saying that Martin slammed his head to the sidewalk at least three times, and probably more.

Her troll-fu has gotten weak over the years.

Yeah, but he did it while trying to keep Zimmerman from sitting up. That means each "slam" was a few inches to maybe a foot and a half from the ground. I would expect more bruising than cuts in that scenario.

It would still hurt a lot and I think most people would fear for their safety in that position. And rightfully so...it really doesn't take a lot in the right circumstances to kill someone with a head injury.

Whether he deliberately misled police investigators or accidentally exaggerated some events is irrelevant. His version of events is now unreliable. What else did he "exaggerate"?

Amazing no one has considered his head was being slammed against the edge of the concrete walk.

If that were the case, it would be different from what he told investigators, further calling into question the reliability of Zimmerman's story.

I don't think he was exaggerating...head injuries are very painful. You don't have to hit your head very hard to feel like it was.

The fact he has any lacerations on his head lends credence to his story. It takes a lot of spinning to say his head injuries prove he's lying or lacks credibility.

And what exactly did he say? Did he say his head was dead center of the walk?

Do you think someone who had their head repeatedly (as in 3 plus times) bashed to a concrete pavement by someone intent on killing him would only have minor head injuries as a result of that attack?

It's a question people don't seem to be willing to answer straight up.

If you do, then like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

If you don't -- and I don't -- then there really are only a few possibilities.
1. Zimmerman has an amazing amount of luck, toughness or recuperative abilities.
2. Zimmerman was lying or exaggerating about the extent of the attack he got, which would then explain why his head injuries were relatively minor.

Another issue:

The Medical Examiner's report states that Martin was shot at "intermediate" range.

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/docu...ts/Medical_Examiner_Report_Trayvon_Martin.pdf

Now, maybe I'm misunderstanding what is meant by "intermediate range," but if things went down the way Zimmerman said they did, it seems to me that would be at "close" or point-blank range.

Link

http://www.relentlessdefense.com/forensics/gunshot-wounds/

I feel out of a tree one time, and landed on my head on a concrete patio. The impact knocked me out for a few minutes and I received a concussion. I grw a knot on my head, but it never bleed.

My brother cracked me on the head with a solid wood baseball bat, I remember seeing a bright flash then dark spots for a few moments. Again only grew a knot, no bleeding.

I was helping a few people move a vacuum chamber on a metal stand with wheels. The chamber weighed about 600 pounds. When we tried to get it around a corner in the hallway my head got caught between the chamber and the wall. It hit me hard enough that my head put a dent in the wall, and when it happened I felt like was going to blackout and had an intense headache for the rest of the day. I went to my doctor and he determined I had a concussion. No knot, no visible injury.

About 18 months ago, I had the door on my truck slam onto my head when my dog jumped out. I grabbed him when he jumped out, and was bent over. I caught the full weight on my head when it happened since the truck was pointed uphill in a driveway. My GF saw it happen, I don't remember anything after the door slammed on my head until the next day. From what she told me, she apparently brought me inside, and I fell asleep. She woke me up, but I kept dozing off or would almost doze off. She called her mom, and her mom told her to take me to the ER. She got me in my truck and drove me to the ER, I had another concussion. And I don't remember any of that. I do remember parts of the next day, and I was having dizzy spells for 4-5 days afterward. You couldn't even tell I had a door slam on my head, aside from a small bump.

I've had at least a 1/2 dozen concussions. Some bleed, many didn't. I've also had several bumps, blows and hits on the head. Some of them I barely felt, but they bleed heavily.

Just because there is little damage to the skin, or little blood. It doesn't mean that the injury cannot have been severe. External condition doesn't have anything to do with how much damage can be occurring how sacred or frightened someone can be while having their head hit on a solid surface like a sidewalk.

Thanks for the education on gunshot wounds. Googling further, it seems that could be anywhere between 1" to 18" and 6" to 30". I stand corrected on that point. It sounds like any of those distances would be more or less consistent with Zimmerman's story.

Well, "Intermediate" does sound like it would mean a much further distance than it actually represents.

I thought so when I read the report, too, until I looked it up.

So, has Zimmerman been fried yet?
And, did it bring back Trayvon?

Also, come ooon post 4000!

I think you have to take into account when considering the terminology the extremely short distances at which most fights involving a handgun occur at.

This...explains a lot.

Well.... duh!

I've had many many hits to the head over the years.

In addition, I've also had a box of bolts fall on my head, a 10 foot 2x12 piece of pressure treated lumber fall on my head, got hit on the head with a 10 foot 2 inch piece of 3/16 inch pipe, and had another car door slam on my head in just the last year.

I feel sure we'll make our mark of 5k and then some once the trial starts.

I am completely open on this one. If Z is culpable, screw him.

BUT, I don't like the way some people have declared him guilty, period. I do tend to lean toward the person being railroaded. I'll try to watch that. If you stop trying to railroad him.

His penis size.

First of all, have you suffered any permanent brain damage from having so many concussions? I'm glad you're all right now, but that many blows to the head can't be good.

Second of all, have any of your blows to the head happened repeatedly in rapid succession? Your examples seem to typically be one hit to the head at a time and not repeated slamming of the head against a hard surface, as Zimmerman claims.

And lastly, have you suffered any permanent brain damage from having so many concussions? I'm glad you're all right now, but that many blows to the head can't be good.

None have occurred close together, unless you count the time I worked for GM. I hit my head 1-2 times a day on the assembly line for the first couple of weeks when I started, some pretty hard others not so bad.

I've also been in some fights where I did get punched/hit in the head a few times. One of the fights I did get my head slammed against an exterior wall a couple of times. That one raised a few bumps and I did get some small cuts.

They're probably not good like you say. I did get x-rayed when the truck door slammed on my head and also had an MRI(?) done a day or so later. Neither indicated any serious injury other than the concussion. That was the worst one I've had. I don't think I've suffered any long term damage, I don't have memory issues, cognitive issues, I'm averaging a 3.64 GPA in a Math/Science degree.

I've also had some pretty serious falls, crashes (biking, roller blading, skiing, etc.) and other types of injuries, mainly from doing stupid shit. And have only broken toes, a finger, the outer metacarpal on my right hand, and some ribs. Apparently I have higher density/stronger bone stronger bone structure than most people.

Sure, it's a possibility, but I refuse to assume it by default. There's "what's in evidence," and then there's "that which is completely irrelevant."

Damn - can we pitch in and get ED629 one of those special helmets for his own protection?

Nothing worse than getting hit straight on the top of your head - it can cause spinal compression like a mother!

Funny story - working construction we had a accident -prone guy (the bosses son BTW) who got hit straight on the head from a full roll of black tarpaper that fell about 20 feet or so from a roof. Hit him like a piledriver right into the dirt! He survived with no serious injury.

But how long did it take you to pull him out of the hole he made when he was driven into the ground?

"Scary" Larry was always getting hurt or doing stupid things. One time his dad had him work a night shift guarding the job site. We had a problem with rival construction companies stealing our lumber when it was dropped off in the wee hours (before we could arrive to begin work).

All larry had to do was sit in a semi-completed (basically open slab where you could see 360 degrees) house and guard the lumber from when it got delivered to when we would arrive. The lumber would be in front of or near any of several slabs he was to observe. He has to show up around sunset and stay until sunrise. DIRT SIMPLE! But hilarity ensued:

Larry got bored, and called his friends to keep him company. Booze and weed were consumed, and larry passed out around midnight when his friends left. Morning finds Larry covered in bug bites sound asleep.
SPOILER ALERT....there was no lumber. The boss called the lumber company and they dropped it off around 4:30 AM - Larry slept through the dropoff (not very stealthy - it's loudly slammed into the street) and through the theft (surprisingly stealthy - Phoenix thieves are top-notch professionals).

Larry was fired - then rehired - it was a never ending cycle.

May I shoe-horn another admittedly anecdotal story? I ran into a former officer at the city's fireworks show. Ron was a 20 year veteran with a wife and two kids. He took one blow. One blow, to the head from a guy's fist. No blood, cuts, or anything and he's been reduced to the mental state of a six year old. Head injuries are weird, man.