star trek:into darkness (WARNING: SPOILERS as of 4/23/13)

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More details on 'John Harrison' here.

According to text in the article, Kirk will be

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In other news, Abrams does something classy.

Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/news/j-j-abra...k-into-darkness-screening#YRkfMYj3D2Avg9zU.99

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Maybe that whole underwater scene in STxII will turn out to be a Kobayashi Maru type simulation? Maybe they won't REALLY be underwater AT ALL. Saavik's first scene in STII seemed & was totally real until TJ Hooker stepped out from behind the curtain chomping down an apple, revealing it to be a simulation/training.

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So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony.

So there you go.

It's Khan.

Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

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According to rumors I heard, Cumberbatch is playing a victim that had a practical joke played him by Kirk in the Academy. Cumberbatch had the hots for Carol Marcus while they were at Academy.

Kirk 'hooked up' Cumberbatch with Marcus, and even arranged for them to have a rendezvous on the Academy Green. While they were getting it on, Marcus turned out to be a shape shifter that changed in 'Cumberbatch' face down on the ground just as Cumberbatch finished. This coincided with Family Day at the Academy embarrassing Cumberbatch, his parents, his two brothers and a sister.

This explains why the family theme is in Star Trek: Into Darkness.

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Don't know how many people saw the update to this.

Producers went to his house with a rough cut of the movie on DVD and showed it to Dan. He apparently enjoyed the movie, and died shortly afterwards.

Class act move on the parts of the producers.

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So the new Star Trek movie has already killed someone?

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We're not the only ones talking about this

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JJ Abrams wants Dayton to cry

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Cool, maybe all or most of the characters will die.

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I hope not. There's not really too much of a connection built up between the characters and the audience. When Spock died in Wrath of Khan, the audience had already come to know and love him for years. There was a similar emotional connection with Kirk's death in Generations and Data's death in Nemesis (even though though both deaths were done horribly).

Killing off any of the new cast off in the new movie would be like Voyager killing Harry Kim over and over again.

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I found the many deaths of Harry Kim to be hilarious, personally.

But my guess is that he's referring to the dead children that are supposed to be the main villain's reason for being the main villain.

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I personally hope that he's the bad guy of the movie, but not necessarily a purely evil character. I prefer antagonists where you can empathize with their position, even if you don't support it.

For example Nero would have been a much better villain if he believed his actions could save his family from dying.

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And involving dead children would be a cheap but effective way of establishing that the bad guy isn't just being evil for evil's sake. I guess if nothing else it shows that he learned at least a little bit from the first movie, if nothing else that cutting out things that would help to make the antagonist more effective, or at least make slightly more sense, probably isn't such a good idea if you want someone who isn't the bad guy simply because he's a whiny asshole.

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I dunno but I, for one, am getting a particularly intriguing vibe off this film. I've a growing hunch that it will be a much much better movie than the first one (and on balance I liked the first one fine even though there were a LOT of nits to pick)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mu07BaOx9c

New superbowl teaser, with some new stuff.

"Who are you?" - Kirk to Cumberbatch.
"I am better." - "At what?" - "Everything."

More evidence of the genetically enhanced superman thing...

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If Cumberbatch is Khan then Abrams can go fuck himself and piss off to Star Wars in quick order. New blood will be required.

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Yep, Khan. Told you so, told you so...

Or it's simply a ruse.

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It's a ruse. Abrams can do a lot of things with his new continuity, but he can't make anything resembling a treatment of Khan, because it was done perfectly the first time. I have to think he knows that.

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That dialogue could just as easily be Mitchell as Khan.

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But Kirk ought to know Mitchell.

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Not in the new timeline. Remember, Kirk and Mitchell met at the Academy, where Kirk was an upper classman, and Mitchell was one of his students. In the new timeline, Kirk's career at the Academy was cut short by his promotion to captain.

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Well, let's see. We have those casket thingies that could be cryogenic units. We have the baddie sounding exactly like Khan. It must be Khan and I'm absolutely fine with it since I think that Trek II was good but by far not as perfect as many claim. An epic remake? Why not. Just don't make the engine room look like the brewery it was shot in again.

Or it's a big fat ruse, of course. It's Abrams after all and he fucked with us for years on LOST.

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He still could. The way the dialogue is phrased (and the lack of context) could be interpreted as Kirk asking the mutating Mitchell "Who are you?" since he's not really Mitchell any more.

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It isn't Mitchell.

It's said that Cumberbatch's character--called John Harrison in articles to date--may not even be a conventional villain, that he will have some kind of sympathetic arc to his story.

I'm still guessing Peter Weller's going to turn out to be Harry Mudd.

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not necessarily shortend by that - one assumes the KM is a "master's thesis"type test.

but certainly arguably altered by his reluctance to enter the academy as he did in the prime-line. He could even have been behind Mitchell instead of ahead of him.

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I'm not saying it IS Mitchell, but I'm very very sure it's not Khan.

My best guess is - as i've said all along - it's most likely "Khan without being Khan"

Which is to say a person with many of the same abilities, characteristics, and motivations of the "Space Seed" Khan with a somewhat different backstory (say, for instance, an Augment developed in Kirk's era by some secretive Starfleet - i.e. "Section 31" by whatever name - agency based on the same sort of tech that created Khan and his peers)

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Nope, the new-timeline comics re-enacted "where no man has gone before".

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If its not on screen, it didn't happen.