Still think we shouldn't accept refugees?

Well, at some point the Germans are going to realize that accommodating all these migrants will require more farm land, perhaps to the East.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to make that stupid remark.

If he really cared about these people as much as he professes he does, he would do more than then minimum.

I'm not a supporter of letting anyone and everyone into your country. Just because they show up on an overcrowded boat from a war torn country doesn't really pull at my heart strings either.

I can feel this way however without coming off as a racist shitbag like @Dinner is.

Let us hear more of your mythic third way or will you just do your usual name calling and fade out of thread without offering solutions trick?

My money is on the latter. I mean you do love your drive by shit talking, don't you?

So the cost of doing the right thing should fall on the people with an actual sense of civic responsibility, and not on the sort of people who led Galbraith to say the quote in my signature?

Charity begins at home. Why not lead by example? I mean if that is how you really feel because a lot of us disagree with the let them all in attitude for reasons already very well laid out.

The bullshit "If you disagree with me you are a racist!" attitude doesn't hold water though especially when those same people ignore the negatives brought up. Hand waving doesn't make those very real problems disappear.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34118978

From a comfortable life in Turkey to Sweden one "refugee's" journey. She is very open about the fact that Turkey was safe and life was ok but that she is an economic migrant. No doubt she was chosen by the BBC because she speaks English and is photogenic. She still is just an economic migrant and an illegal alien criminal yet she is the best face they could possibly put on this story instead of the violent angry male rioters attacking police in Greece and Hungary.

It isn't impolite, but I wouldn't necessarily call it entirely accurate, either. I understand where you're coming from, and to an extent I agree; the problem is that when you have nothing already, no one will listen to you anyway. Look at me, I mean, I have little resources, but if the U.S. went to war with Canada tomorrow, and Ohio became a shithole *cough*moreso*cough*, I would have no power over any of it. My choice would either be to stay and fight, putting my whole family in certain danger, or try to escape that shithole. These people had very little, and are trying to escape the shitholes their governments made regardless of what those people wanted.

Oh, I don't know, that chick in the video spent euro 3000 on her trip so there are some resources.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-04/why-don-t-gulf-states-accept-more-refugees-

Around 90% of the benefits migrants are sunni. Who just so happen to be ISIS's main supporters. Yet the Sunni states don't want them based upon fears of terrorism and unrest they will cause. The Saudis won't let a single one in. Yet Europe is supposed to take them all, pay for their every need, put up with their rampant criminality, and let them violently riot when ever they aren't instantly given everything they want.

So you're saying that while right now they look like this:


In five years they'll probably look like this:

He's saying ISIS is Sunni, therefore all Sunnis be damned.

I didn't expect that you'd advocate the Welfare Queen argument.

The Fantastic 4 are going to make Europe pay?

Well, they are not coming for safety since they are already safe. They are not coming for work since unemployment rates are already double digits with youth unemployment often around 40%-50%. So what are they coming for?

Free college education? Check. Free welfare housing? Check. Free health care? Check. Free food? Check. Free pocket money? Check. They also love to have 10+ kids each and it just so happens that the more kids they have the more welfare they get. Did I mention that the EU already says 80% of the muslims in the EU are on welfare so why would these be different? 4 out of mother fucking 5.

Come on, just do the math, what is drawing them? Peace and security? Ha! Just last summer they were rioting l, looting, and burning stuff all across France because their welfare for doing nothing wasn't enough for them. Crime goes up and up in their neighborhoods while all the local women have to run and hide because rapes skyrocket where ever these 3rd world barbarians go. Oh and then there are the attacks on police and nonmuslims.

But, hey, 14th Doctor doesn't have to deal with any of that only other people so if 14thdoctor feels better and doesn't have to actually do anything then that is all that matters, huh?

I am saying I can't seporate the terrorist supporters from the supposedly peaceful ones, can you? Oh, and according to polls any where from 20% to 60% of them depending on the country do support terrorism. Force their Sunni brothers to take them in and we can provide aid but keep them away from civilized people.

California welfare laws don't allow the addition of more kids. If you have three, they pay for three even when the mother gets knocked up with triplets.

We aren't talking about California but the EU especially Germany, Sweden, and Austria. It just so happens those are very generous welfare states thus why they are the target for economic migrants.

If you want to have a generous welfare state for your citizens then that is great but you can't have every freeloader in the world waltzing in or the whole system breaks down. I would rather western countries provide better for their poor but keep foreign poor from mooching off the system. If you let them they will flood the system and even in the best of times 4 out of 5 are perfectly happy to not work and just mooch.

Hey, it is better than any life they have ever known. Far better so no wonder all of them are packing up and heading for the promised land laws be damned. All they have to do is riot and the Euros become too scared to enforce their own laws.

The same strawman argument can be made for Mexicans that I know you support but somehow don't feel incline to spew generalities about.

There are actual jobs for Mexicans here legal or otherwise (though the majority of them are also on welfare). Literally 80% of the muslims in the EU don't work.

I don't think you understand how bad the economy is in the wider EU vs the US or how much more generous the Welfare state is in much of the EU. To compare the U.S. gives people trinkets so the total drag is less. To make the burden bare able they will eventually be forced to cut back how generous their cradle to grave welfare state is so the actual poor citizens are going to see their quality of life go down just so bleeding hearts can feel better.

No, thanks, I saw we take care of our own and their fellow cultists can take care of their own. Not that they ever due but it should definitely be their problem.

That is a clip from MEMRI TV an Arabic and Farsi language news service out of Washington D.C. which is broadcast across the middle east. Just watch the clip and see what they are saying. BTW the anchor is fairly pro western.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/turks-in-germany-are-a-time-bomb

That is obviously a some what biased source but it does contain some useful information. It specifically talks about Turkish people in Germany, of which there are 3 million (2.5 million have German citizenship). They were originally brought in as guest workers in the 1960's but almost none ever left and now are having their 4th generation born in Germany yet most of them do not speak fluent German. They don't want to and no one makes them. Only 20% of them have jobs while 80% of them are on Hartz IV (state social benefits) and 70% of them drop out of school prior to graduation (no GCSE).

Despite college and high school being free most of them just don't give a shit and prefer to live on benefits which they have done multigenerationally for four generations. They have no desire to assimilate, feeling Turkish and muslim cultures are superior to western suckers who work and pay for everything while Germany's terrible laws never require them to.

They get $670 per month for the husband and wife each plus an additional $261 a month for each child under 18. Each couple has an average of 9.5 children. That is just under $4000 per month not counting the housing voucher which varies by city but can add up to $3000 in additional monthly income. That is $7000 a month to sit on their asses doing nothing for generation after generation.

That is just the monthly cash payments while there are numerous other freebies like free food delivered to your home, free stuff from the mosque (which is almost entirely funded by the state government), while heating, electricity, gas, and cable TV are free from the state.

Seriously, this is why these shit bags are coming. They even quote one of these shit stains saying "Why should I work when I can live well without working." That is the mentality but I guess when you get $80,000 cash a year, have all your expenses paid by other people, and no one requires you to work then why not freeload? After all everyone at the mosque is doing it including the mosque itself.

Must be agitators.

Dinner's been rabidly anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant/refugee ever since Charlie Hebdo. So now he spews the same sort of poorly informed bile at them that he used to reserve for Republicans and Southerners.

At least he hasn't threatened to call anyone's boss lately.

Hey, 14D, still haven't gotten off your ass to do anything and expecting everyone else to do it for you?

We all eagerly await your refuting his points with something more substantial than the "he's racist/a bigot" nonsense you guys normally do when you have no actual argument.

Just call them a racist / sexist and then you don't need facts...

And even then, taxpayers apparently shouldn't get to suggest how their money should be spent.

They are certainly people who are pissed off by the sorry state of affairs.

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

You appear to be suggesting you have privileged information about my personal, off-board activities.

Is that what you're suggesting?