Still think we shouldn't accept refugees?

That's so interesting, Mr. Dinner! Can you give us your thoughts on the blacks and jews next?

I would be happier if they worked, yes, which most of them really don't seem to want to do if 80% of them are chronically unemployed in the EU. As I have said I don't mind there being a social safety net to help citizens in need and think we should have a good one but in order to afford to do that you have to keep out foreign benefits migrants out, especially from the 3rd world, who really DO think a life on welfare is the best life they could ever imagine. That is the financial reality you always ignore.

They have no desire to intigrate, as proven by 4th generation muslims in Germany still not being able to speak German. They have very little desire for education (judging by the 70% high school drop out rate in Germany even though education through college is free. They have very little desire to work judging by 80% unemployment rates/welfare rates and this goes on for generation after generation after generation. Four generations and counting.

So what conclusions are we supposed to reach here, capped crusader? Other than that facts offend you and that there is not a rock in the world which you could not find racism under?

It is ok, 14D will sweep the facts under the carpet and suggest anyone who dares to mention these problems is a racist. It is what he does when he can't argue with the facts.

They do a good job of integrating, by and large, and generally do fairly well in this country. Yes, blacks do actually suffer from continued lingering effects of institutional racism due to centuries of slavery and oppression. There are some problems with parts of black culture but, believe it or not, black scholars have actually done a good job of trying to address those as do ordinary middle class blacks. As for Jews, they have some of the highest rates of educational and financial success in the country. The country would be much better off with more of them. We always need more net tax payers.

Hell, black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean do damn well partially due to the immigration laws selecting immigrants based upon being high educational achievers. Not surprisingly the kids of black immigrant doctors and lawyers end up doing very well for themselves largely because mom and dad stressed hard work and the need for education at an early age.

That doesn't seem to happen with most mideast immigrants and, yes, that is a cultural problem. One we should be able to bring up here without your constant race baiting in an attempt to shut down discussions of facts you don't like.

I doubt that 14D ignores all these problems, he just loves to see you go berserk.

I suppose I need to understand he is just a race-baiting troll and ignore him.

LOL....that sounds rather familiar.

It's easy to race bait when you're being racist. Seriously, if I were to cover your name and read your posts, I'd swear you were TheLonelySquire.

So do you think there should be any policy response to a group which 80% of the members refuse to integrate or get jobs even after four generations? Or is any response automatically racist? Certainly you seem to think "maybe it isn't a good idea to let more of them in" is racist though I see your position as illogical and counter factual.

No, I see the way you speak of them as less than human. That's what I see. I'm not interested in debating anything with someone who starts from a position of dehumanization. I would be a fool to debate with a racist on their level, and if that's not what you think you are, go back and look at what you've said.

IOW you got nuthin and you've made a convenient excuse to hide it.

You are the very embodiment of the idiots who scream "RACISTS!!!!" any time facts come up that don't agree with your fantasy view of the world;.

I haven't forgotten how you desperately tried to play both sides of the argument in my Telescope in Hawaii thread.

Do you have any setting other than foam-at-the-mouth hyperbole?
Also, agree with him all you want, Dinner. You're a bigot. I realize you might find it unpleasant, but it's true. Still, you don't have to take my word for it:

"Granted. Would you concede there is a big problem when 80% of them are on welfare, don't want to work, don't even want to learn the national language of the country they are paracites in, not even after four fucking generations of living there?" - Dinner

Point out the hyperbole part?

Rather than counter anything Dinner said you just called him a racist, and in my Telescope thread you tried to play both sides.

I could rub your face in shit, and you'd yell "it's not poopy! it's not poopy! It's chocolate!" so why bother? This stuff drives me up the wall. It's like when Dayton asks "when was I a racist?" Oh, gee, like nearly every fucking post he ever made, so when you say "point out the hyperbole," all I should really do is point to nearly every fucking post you've ever made. Dinner's a bigoted elitist with his head up his ass, and you're just a hyperbolic twit who thinks subtlety is a form of partisanship.

OK, so your position is absolutely any response to those facts you do not like is automatically racist. Got it. I am glad we cleared that up.

Your position is still illogical and full of shit, just FYI.

Go to the beach and clean up your "paracites." Quickly, before they steal your hard earned taxpayer money, you fucking fuck.

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Dinner is correct in saying there has to be some end to it or Europe will be overrun. In much of the Middle East people are paid to basically exist by massive amounts of oil money. They hire foreign works to make things for them. Other parts, like Syria and Iraq, were socialist or national socialist for a long time. And a strain through a lot of Islamic thought is that working or trading aren't manly pursuits because they don't involve courage and bravery in battle. Raiding was more highly esteemed.

Waiting in the wings are more Muslims, watching what happens. There are:

30 million in Afghanistan
21 million in Syria
6 million in Libya
31 million in Iraq
4 million Palestinians

That's 92 million people. How many can Europe take before their welfare systems just snap? The EU has about 500 million people. The EU labor force participation rate is 57 percent, which is made possible by their rather high tax rates. So 285 million employed Europeans are supporting 215 million who aren't in the labor force (retirees, youth, students, military, welfare, etc). Given the employment history of Muslims refugees in Europe, many of these new arrivals are not every going to be employed in any significant capacity. You could say that the Europeans work 57 percent of their lives to pay for the 43 percent of their lives that they're not working. With these new arrivals the ratio is more like 20/80. They're going to be a permanent drag on Europe's social safety net, requiring either massive increases in taxes or permanent reduction in benefits and living standards to the Europeans who did nothing to deserve it.

And of course their are 700 million more Muslims that could come later. At that point there wouldn't be a Europe that's recognizable as Europe.

If you don't ever work and you don't ever avale yourself of free educational opportunities presented up to and including post secondary education because you think getting $80,000 a year, cash, as a welfare recipient is better then ,yes, you are nothing but a paracite who contributes nothing and just weakens the host. That is a fact even if the imagary offends you. Four generatios, mother fucking four generations, of the same group doing nothing but living off of welfare and the fuckers can't even be bothered to learn the la guage of the country their great grandfather moved to?

Give me a break, junior, there is an absolutely massive problem and you screaming racism because someone points it out doesn't mother fucking get you off the hook. people are right to be outraged over four generations of paracites of their tax dollars who never, ever, ever intend to co tribute a god damn thing to the country they are paraciting. Yes, that is an accurate description no matter how distasteful you find it.

It is one thing to help the poor who are already in the country but it is an entirely different thing to purposefully bring in millions more especially given that group's track record. It is what insurance companies call a forseeable excessive risk.

Justify it however you want, I'm not the bigot.

On a side note, the words are "avail," "parasite," "imagery," "language," and it is advised to never end your sentence with a preposition. Perhaps you should change your name from "Dinner" to "Dey Turk Er Jerbs!"

Oh hey look at that an SJW standing on the back of a dead kid to push his SJW fuckwittery.

Stay classy John

I didn't know how much of an actual pile of raw sewage you are until now, congrats

Ah, yes, "SJW." So has Anita Sarkeesian chopped off your dick yet?

and yup, you still got nothing and are saying stupid shit 'cause you know you got nothing you POS.

Holy fuck you really are a moron.

Well, we can't all be like you: oppressed by walking, talking tits.

That's like TLS calling me anti-Christian.

no, you're a desperate SJW using a dead toddler to try to win his argument for him because he has no argument. You do what you POS type always does when you have nothing you try to evoke emotion

I say this in all honesty, not internet hyperbole go die in a fucking fire you piece of filth.

God, you two are so fucking tedious. Congratulations, Dinner. You've made a friend in Archangel. May your life together be gloriously ill-conceived.

"If you bring up facts which hurt my feelings, you are a bigot!"

Fuck off. You, or 14D, have yet to respond with any substance to a single one of the factual issues I have brought up. Not one. Not mother fucking one. Why does reality scare you so? Why are you so determined to avoid discussioning it? Are you afraid your position won't hold up? Or are you convinced just yelling racism and avoiding reality is your best bet?

The death of the left is going to be a refusal to acknowledge reality. I say that as a leftist. I bag on the right for their refusal to acknowledge facts but this disease has worked its way well into the left as well. You are living proof. You, for the life of you, can't logically discuse a single fact.

Keep using SJW like it's an insult, you misogynistic bobblehead.

I can stay on topic at least.

If you want to talk games go do it in those threads and stop trying to do a lame distraction.