So, which one of you contacted Dayton's principal?

Then why did you apologise, and why did you then withdraw the apology because of a debate over a completely seperate matter?

If someone made such an accusation towards you, how would you respond?

Are you attempting to libel me Dayton?

Not only have I repeated told you it wasn't me, but the fact that it wasn't me means that I know you have no proof against me or Rick. You're just making wild accusations without a shred of evidence.....which I find astonishing coming from someone who is here in this very thread telling bold faced lies.

You claiming I've lied is libel in and of itself.

If you really cared anything about this issue you would simply personal message me and take this out of public discussion.

Oh yes I do. I am a human being. You are a human being. God, Christianity and the bible is a fiction created for the weak minded. It has no impact whatsoever on my ability to recognise a liar and a hypocrite who claims to hold to a divine believe that lying is a sin.

If you do not believe in God, then the concept of sin is a fake one.

You do not believe in God. Thus whenever you accuse me of lying you are yourself lying as you are invoking a concept in which you yourself do not believe.

No. Libel is only a libel when it is based on a falsehood. Remember who you're talking to. I have the evidence to prove your are lying, evidence that would easily allow me a defence to any such claim were we in a court of law. Makes me laugh that you don't even understand the basic concept of it yet claim to be a "professional educator".

No El Chup. You have no evidence whatsoever.

And I'm a far, far better educator than you'll ever be a lawyer.

You are right I do not believe in the concept of sin. But you do and you are the one lying. I may not believe in religion, but I do believe in the concepts of lying and hypocrisy.

I think we are now at full blown car crash levels of a thread

I'll allow El Chup to have the last word here as he has worked himself up into such a tizzy.

Dayton. Based on nothing but reading your posts since 1999, i can tell you, you are a terrible educator!

Can you give me 10 very specific reasons why?

And you know this based on what?

I have a 17 year long career, have three times been head of department, worked for some of the most reputable firms, won cases that have made law in my field and never been fired and I'm now in business for myself. I earn five times (having seen your salary on the school website) what you do and own my own home in one of the most expensive places in my country (my mortgage alone being, at what would be over $2k in US dollars, more than what you earn a month). You haven't held down a job for more than, what, three years? You've faced competency proceedings, have fallen out with colleagues and cannot even follow stipulated procedure. You've been the subject of formal proceedings calling into question your ability to do your job satisfactorily. You've worked in more than one school because you weren't liked enough to be kept on. You have never ever gotten a promotion. So, can you tell me what makes you superior in your profession to me in mine?

For one you are wasting your career representing refugees.

That is the kiddy pool of legal work. The place they put you to gain experience before embarking on any kind of major legal career. The fact that you've been doing it for 17 years speaks volumes.

You condemn me for working at several different schools.

Yet you just said that you "worked for some of the must reputable firms" (plural).

Seems I'm not the only one who has had multiple employers............

Why does it have to be 10? One very good reason should be enough. Here's ten anyway...

1) Failure to understand the meaning of many basic words.

2) Encouraging black children to take orders from white authoritarians.

3) Failure to follow correct procedure.

4) Failure to work effectively with colleagues.

5) Failure to secure promotion.

6) Failure to hold onto a job for a sustained period of more than a few years.

7) Failure to pass the Praxis test an a respectable level

8) Failure to consider the merits of prescribed methods of teaching and/or the syllabus/curriculum.

9) Failure to follow directions from superiors.

10) General lack of intelligence (which I do appreciate is one which won't be immediately apparent to you).

I'm sure I could list more if I thought long enough about it.

Dayton, the mods removed the post in question but that does not mean everyone forgot. I would give up this line of argument. Hell, I would just let this thread sink and put it behind me.

Even brilliant people can have tensions with colleagues.

And promotions in my field are based mainly on timing and connections.

You ignore that in the Content Knowledge section of the Praxis II, I scored a 198 out of 200. Near perfect.

#5 and #6 are contradictory.

#10 there is no evidence of.

#2 is merely your opinion.

Perhaps you're right.

I'll go back with what I planned and let El Chup have the last word.

All yours Chuppie.

This is the most moronic thing you've said yet. First of all, I don't just represent "refugees". I represent all types of immigrants....and I work exclusively on a privately funded basis which means most of my clients are wealthy as opposed the the sort of image you have in your head, and others are corporate clients or other institutions or busineses. When I act for a wealthy American who is doing an intra-company transfer to the UK, is that "working for refugees"? I also deal with family law and civil litigation, so it's not just immigration. That said, even if I did just deal with "refugees", if I earned five times more than you doing it and have never been sacked or investigated doing it, then it still makes me more successful than you.

What a laughable remark. Immigration is one the fastest changing areas of law in the UK, with copious amounts of case law, rules and legislation. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. All of the magic circle firms, who work at the higher end of the market as I have, have major immigration departments - so if it's "kiddy pool" stuff you better tell them, because they're making millions out of it.

Yes, the difference being that I was the one who decided to move for career advancement and higher earnings. You, in contrast, have left several through the decision of someone other than yourself. That is clearly a major distinction.

Instead of trying to find reasons why I am apparently not very good, by making comments about a field and jurisdiction you have zero knowledge of, how about you tell me what makes you superior? After all, it was you who claim that you are comparatively better. So that means that whatever I have done, you must have done better. So what have you done better?

So six of them are true. I rest my case.

He won't learn. He'll be at in again in the not to distant future. Stupid, stupid man. Author of his own misfortune.

We can prove otherwise.

I was going to give you the last word El Chup but since you asked the questions I'll respond to them.

1) I'll accept your descriptions of your legal career at face value.

2) Judging our relative successes by salary is largely meaningless as we live in radically different regions with different standards and costs of living. In addition it is meaningless as I've only been an educator for 11 years while by your own admission you've been a lawyer for 17 years. More than half again as long.

3) I will give you the reasons I consider myself a great teacher and educator.

A) Content knowledge. Forget the Praxis II content score I've been praised by other educators (including the principal referred to in this thread) as having knowledge of history and social studies at a college level. This principal was never a supporter of mine (for reasons unrelated to my work in the classroom) yet he spoke often of my knowledge (he had the same certification) and my lecturing ability. He talked about how he would come and stand in the hall outside my classroom just to hear my lectures. And he wasn't the only one.

Ironically this became a drawback as he said I was teaching at "too high a level for high school kids".

B) Willingness to try new teaching methodologies. For example teaching history backwards (from the present day into the past). I've been praised for this innovative approach by administrators, fellow teachers, and consultants outside the classroom. I've also been praised for my ability to connect popular culture with historical events. For example connecting Friday Night Lights to the treaty to eliminate intermediate range nuclear weapons by the U.S. and U.S.S.R.

C) No matter how you dislike my opinions and approaches, the fact that I get along so well with African American students/players. I think I can comfortably claim that I do so considerably better than most white teachers and coaches. I think it speaks volumes that in 2008 when asked by my African American students who I was voting for president I told them John McCain. Once I explained my reasons, every last one of my African American students stood up to defend my choice when people outside the school questioned me about mentioning it.

D) My resistance to the "trend of the month". A severe problem with public education in Arkansas. Arkansas has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to public education compared to other states. So this evokes a tendency of the Education Dept. in Arkansas to enthusiastically embrace whatever new idea they happen to hear if it comes out of a major state (especially California and Texas). The Education Dept. embraces these ideas even when other states have already used them and then subsequently rejected them.

This is particularly a problem in small schools (350-400 students k-12) and/or schools with academic achievement problems which includes all I've worked in one way or the other. They are terrified they will be forced to close so they embrace any ridiculous idea that they think might help them look better academically no matter how weird it is.

Arguably this is the factor that has caused me the most problems with people at the schools I've worked. But I consider a wariness about the "trend of the month" to be a point in my favor.

E) It isn't just my 11 years of teaching experience that I can draw on. My mother was a full time teacher for 12 years. My oldest sister was a full time teacher for 12 years. My youngest sister has been a teacher for 31 years (all at one school). Thus instead of 11 years of experience my immediate family has fully 66 years of full time teaching experience. If you want to go into extended family (cousins) that total goes up to over 100 years of teaching experience. Plus my dad was on the school board for over 20 years. Thus I have decades (by any measure) of education experience that I can draw on and cross reference with mine as a guide.

I guarantee that people who have had a problem with my teaching methodologies cannot do the same.

F) I've presented many of my teaching ideas, most especially mine on teaching about the Cold War, to groups such as the Arkansas Historical Society and published historians and they've been very impressed with my work. They were not people I knew personally and they owed me nothing so I assume their opinion was relatively unbiased.

I hope that answers your questions. If you have others I will attempt to answer them.

But the cat came back the very next day, he just couldn't stay away...

Well, you can do that. But others here have seen my Linkedin page and my career history in FB, and also where I live, so can confirm that I'm not lying.

I come from a working class background and did not grow up in a wealthy area. I am entirely self made and I had to work hard to own a home in an area like that. Do you own your home Dayton, and I'm not talking about one Daddy left you, rather one you worked and earned for?

What does the length of my career have to do with anything? You said you were a better teacher than I was a lawyer. That's a very explicit statement without qualifiers.

Hang on, you're moving the goalposts now. You said you were superior to me. That is the statement I am asking you to back up. Not your own subjective opinion of your own ability. I want you to state your track record and achievements that shows you are superior to me. The results which should speak for themselves, such as career advancements and notable achievements.

How does this make you superior to me? I know my field well. Knowledge isn't all it takes.

So you don't have the skill to teach children at your level then? In any event, how does this establish that you are superior to me?

You have been the subject of proceedings about your failure to follow recommended methods....so who are you to determine you have it right? How does this make you superior to me?

I will have to take your word for in, despite your inherent racism. How does this make you superior to me?

You meant arrogantly refusing to follow what you are required to do? This is not a good thing Dayton. In any event, how does it make you superior to

Your colleagues and employers don't. This shows an inability to work as a team and a hierarchical structure or listen to the viewpoint of others. How does this make you superior to me?

How does this make you superior to me? Are you suggesting I need to come from a family of lawyers to know what I am doing?

Having a family full of teachers doesn't mean you know best. A lot of your colleagues clearly don't think you do. How does this make you superior to me anyway?

Does the Historical Society regulate schools or set the educational syllabus? I doubt it does. How does this make you superior to me?

Even if all that above is true, none of it supports your claim that you are superior to me. Where are the career successes and achievements that you can point to to counter balance the history of firings and investigations? The actual results that come from your inflated sense of your own skill and talent? If you were what you claim to be, you would at least be able to illustrate the advancements or achievements your skill and talent has brought you, whether it be secure employment without breaks, higher earnings, a more senior position, professional accolades or anything else that shows you have had some level of practical career success. So, come on, how are you superior?

Fine. I withdraw all claims to being a better educator than you are a lawyer El Chup.

Happy now?

I did not know what I considered a mere throwaway line (internet hyperbole) would upset you so much.

Man, just when you thought wordforge couldn't get any more ridiculous, this thread happens.

Are you sincere?

Nothing to do with upsetting me. Doesn't upset me. It's to do with you understanding that your words have impact and you can be held to them. This is part of your problem. There was no hyperbole in your statement. It was explicit. Why do you think the internet is a domain in which you can say whatever you like and not be challenged on what you say? We are all adults. You tell me you are better than me than I'll take you to task for it until such time as you can demonstrate to me how and why....and frankly this isn't about what I have achieved. I very much believe that it is likely most people on this board are more successful in their working lives than you have been in yours. In fact, John Castle is the only person I can think of that has achieved less than you...and even he had the excuse of his alleged poor health (or alcohol problem).

To me, the internet in many respects is the equivalent of writing graffiti on the wall. A medium of communication that is not known for objective analysis.

Blame Chad.