Harrison Ford Loves the Blade Runner 2 Script

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  1. ed629

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    I watched Citizen Kane, once. It bored the hell out of me. But that was me, plenty of people love it and appreciate it. It's just not my type of movie, Ican watch other movies that came out around the same time and enjoy them. Each to his own.
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    Wasn't that one based on "The Klansman"?

    And is considered to have inspired the second incarnation of the KKK?
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    Just no to that shit. :facepalm:
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    Citizen Kane really didn't have much affect on movies. Nobody revisited its central theme until 1993's Cool Runnings.
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    He loves the script because he wants to remodel his vacation home.
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    Doesn't Ford still do some rather good carpentry work? IIRC he learned carpentry as a way to make ends meet when he was starting out as an actor and came to love it.

    I've read that if you ever get a chance to talk to him don't mention one word about acting or movies. Instead ask him something about carpentry, building or do it yourself projects. He'll talk to you almost continually.
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    That's funny, because I've seen interviews with him where he says he hates carpentry and hasn't done it since his career took off.
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    Maybe I'm wrong.
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    Michael Caine on Jaws: The Revenge, a film he starred in:
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    Ridley describes the opening scene.
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    Just don't let Deckard be a fucking replicant, please.
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    You don't think that he is one?
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    Ridley Scott has already said he's one.
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    I thought it was assumed he was all the way back when the movie first came out..

    I remember a guy from our football team talking about the movie on a Monday morning after seeing it over the weekend and he thought it was obvious that Deckard was a replicant.

    How many different versions of this movie are their anyway?
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    Why not?
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    Because it doesn't fit with what we know of that world.

    All of the Nexus 6 replicants are so twitchy that they're easy to spot. Deckard clearly isn't one of them.

    Rachel is something new (Nexus 7?) but Deckard can't be like her. He has an actual past, attested to by Bryant and Gaff, going back years. So, Deckard not only would have to be an example of the most advanced type but also one produced years earlier. If this perfectly human type has been perfected for years, why aren't there more of them? Why is Rachel regarded as something new?

    That logical hole aside, Deckard's tenure as the ol' Blade Runner would've required Tyrell's assistance. But why would Tyrell participate in making his earliest, most advanced replicant a killer of other replicants?

    There could've been a plausible version of this story where Deckard is a replicant, but the groundwork hasn't been properly lain here. Deckard-as-replicant wants to be a surprise revelation, but the setup for it is too weak for it to be plausible.
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    My assumption has always been that he was the prototype for whatever would come after Rachel (Nexus 8?) and they released him early as an emergency effort to stop Roy Batty*. Bryant and Gaff know the truth and therefore fill Deckard with misinformation in order to manage his actions. The rest is simply programmed in. They exist to prevent him from suspecting himself if he happens to figure out the implications of Rachel's implanted memories.

    * It's important to remember that Tyrell arrogantly believed he could ultimately produce a perfect replicant and that he could also control his monster. Why wouldn't this include using the same technology to police itself?
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    Personally, I think ambiguity is the whole point, which is another reason not to have a sequel.
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    That would be my preference, actually.
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    The reason I don't feel it works is that at the end there, you have a replicant essentially showing Deckard a lesson on humanity, which works a lot better if Deckard is human than if he's a replicant himself.
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    That's definitely an appealing thought, too. All of which points out why Rick is right about it best being left to conjecture.
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    Are you sure that's what was happening at the end?
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    Yes, this.
    Yes, this is a possibility I considered. After Holden goes down, they turn Deckard on. Deckard has fake memories of being a former Blade Runner, and Bryant and Gaff play along.

    That definitely *could* have worked as a plot. But it isn't set up well enough for that to be a satisfying explanation (IMHO). If that *is* the explanation, the film needed to make it much, much clearer. I should also point out that the theatrical version has absolutely *no* hint that Deckard could be a replicant (nor does Deckard's closing narration indicate that he thinks himself one), and it's ambiguous in the later versions. Yes, Gaff leaves an origami unicorn. Is that a coincidence? Is that simply enough to make Deckard wonder? Is it proof that Deckard's a replicant? It's not definitive.

    Also, why such a "human" replicant? All of the Nexus 6 models are stronger, faster, tougher. Sending a rather frail de-powered replicant after a group of super-human ones seems ill-advised. And does Deckard really do anything that another person couldn't do? Seems like a lot of trouble for little benefit.

    Also, as @Captain X said above, the story about a man finding his own humanity by denying it in others is more poignant.
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    Okay, so that's only one reading of the movie, and not my preferred one.

    Blade Runner (along with some other great sci-fi) is I think, best read as a gnostic allegory.
    The (dystopian) Earth represents our corrupt reality, and "off-world" a paradise to which is aspired by those who live on it.
    Tyrell is the demiurge creator in charge of earth. Batty is the saviour figure coming to us from off-world, and Blade Runners are the archons opposing him.
    The replicants contain the "divine spark" - artificial memories, but are imperfect versions of "real" people, befitting their creation by the demiurge.
    Deckard (and possibly everyone else still on the planet) is one of these, awakened to the fact by Batty.

    If the sequel is to get any traction with me, it will need to continue these or similar themes (maybe introduce the higher creator figure) rather than just be a special-effect based lightshow about robots and people killing each other.
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