Harrison Ford Loves the Blade Runner 2 Script

Does, or do, the "BLADERUNNER" movies take place in the same canonuity/reality/universe/whatever-you-want-to-call-it as "ALIEN"?

I remember hearing differing answers regarding that!

Not intentionally, but the mood of both is similar so they could.

Ash was an android in Alien, not a replicant. Mother was a computer (rather silly one even by 1979 standards). No book or movie overlap.

I think Ridley scott said it was. Here's some info.
http://www.tor.com/2012/10/05/new-p...irms-blade-runner-and-alien-share-a-universe/

I wasn't too crazy about "PROMETHEUS", but this would mean "PROMETHEUS" is also apart of that "BLADE RUNNER"/"ALIEN" universe.

David was, IMO, the best character in "PROMETHEUS".

I wonder if he was a replicant?

That's pretty cool news.

Well, he was designed by Verizon. If you're going to pick an evil corporation to develop a killing machine, Verizon and Comcast have to be in your top ten, at least.

I don't know if we can thank JJ Abrams for this, with his insistence upon using practical effects in TFA, but this strikes me as good news.

Hopefully it's a trend that continues.

Given that replicants are in wide-spread use I'd have to say that's just wrong. The replicants went after Tyrell because they believed that as the overall creator of the Nexus-6 line he'd be able to reset their biological clock. As we see in the film even he could not do that.

Incidentally this is why I do not believe that Blade Runner and Alien share the same universe. The replicants in Blade Runner are organic while it's clear that the synthetics in Alien are not organic.

There is zero need to hybridize humans and replicants. Humans are not going extinct. The movie and book are clear that there are colonies on other planets. We also know from the book that John Isdore (Sebastian in the movie) can not leave Earth because of his genetic condition. Society doesn't want his defective DNA polluting the rest of humanity.

Nor is there a question of longer life. The replicants are given short lifespans as a means of control. Rachel was a test not of longer life but of better control. Why?

The Nexus-6 replicants were too advanced and were developing emotions.

Tyrell's objective with Rachel is to give her something emotional to hold on to. Memories.

So we can see there isn't even a mention of Rachel's lifespan. For all we know she is a four year time limit as well.

Rachel only exists to further refine and build better controlled replicants.

If they can build in a fail-safe device then they can certainly build a replicant without one.

Not everybody in the book had robotic pets. If you could afford it you could get a live one. Deckard in fact uses the reward money from retiring replicants to buy a goat that ends up being killed by Rachel.

In the book Rachel tries to bribe Deckard with the Owl. Though Eldon Rosen (Tyrell) later tells him that the Owl is a fake like Rachel.

Remember what the eye maker said to Roy, "He big boss, he design your mind!" Roy wanted information about longevity from the eye maker, and the eye maker didn't have it, only Tyrell had it. Not really plausible for the real world, I'll grant you, but Blade Runner isn't the real world.

It's been 30 years, a lot can happen in 30 years.

But we don't know what their lifespan would have been without those limitations imposed. In the original cut of the film, Deckard mentions that they've no idea how long Rachel will live.

Yet the indications in the film are that details of how replicants are made are known only to a few people. Sebastian apparently contributed genetic material to the Nexus 6 models. "There's some of me in you!" They can engineer near-perfect humans, but they can't figure out how to fix Sebastian? If we're going to be talking consistency here, then we have to start with that.

Tryell had it because he was the creator of the mind of the Nexus-6. But as we see from the movie the 4 year life span wasn't a natural thing. It was purposely done as a fail safe to prevent Nexus-6 replicants from going nuts and revolting.

There is zero reason why the company could not continue making replicants after Tyrell's death.

And there is zero reason that a replicant could not have a longer lifespan if that four year time limit wasn't put in during the design stage.

Irrelevant

Humans are off Earth. There is no danger of going extinct. There is zero need to merge human and replicant together. That would wreck the movie if they did that.

Deckard mentions he doesn't know how long Rachel will live because he and Rachel do not know if she has the four-year time limit built into her.

And given that the Nexus-6 line was purposely given a 4 year lifespan as a fail-safe device because they became too emotional over time we can deduce that previous Nexus models being less advanced had no need for a 4 year lifespan.

Rachel was an experiment according to Tyrell. So it's left up to the viewer about her life-span.

Sebastian did not contribute genetic material to the Nexus 6 models. He designed their genetic material. That's what they mean when he says, "There's some of me in you!"

They can't fix Sebastian because they don't have the technology to do it without killing him. Just like it is impossible for Tyrell to fix Roy without killing him. You can't change things after you've built the replicant. It has to be done before everything gets started.

And humanity has also designed replicant animals so to say that only a handful of people can build replicants in human likeness is silly. Tyrell made the mind of the Nexus-6 replicants and I'd bet all his notes and designs are on file in that massive corporation. The knowledge didn't die with him.

And there are probably others out there with the knowlege to do so as well.

Yet the eye maker couldn't do anything to help Roy, and so far as we saw in the film, they didn't bother shaking down the folks who made replicant animals for information. Why is that? The basics of genetics between species are common enough when it comes to things like lifespan, so someone who creates replicant animals ought to have no problem creating a replicant human. What was it about replicant humans that's so different that they had to find someone who made human body parts?

Right, my statement was that without Tyrell around, they couldn't innovate and were stuck at the Nexus-6 level. You know, like how Apple is still turning out things after Steve Jobs died, but folks have claimed that they've lost the ability to truly innovate.

There's nothing in the original movie to suggest that it would have a sequel 30 years later, and yet here we are.

Sigh. That's assuming that everything is still okay with the colonies. We don't know what's happening with them. In one of Dick's novels, "undesirables" are sent to off-world colonies that were supposed to be comparable to Earth. Instead, they were hellholes like Ceti Alpha V in TWoK where they were expected to die, out of sight and out of mind of everyone back on Earth. There could be alien attacks, plagues, or the government could have been lying about the colonies completely and was just shooting people at the sun, ala The Marching Morons.

It all depends upon how they pull it off.

Right, but the implication we're given is that Rachel is unique in many ways. She was Tyrell's prized child, so the potential is there for her to be different in more ways than the implanted memories and not having a pre-set limit to her life.

That's your interpretation of what the comment means. Nothing in the film contradicts him having contributed genetic material, and I've certainly no idea of what the scriptwriters intended, so neither possibility can be ruled out.

We only know that to be true in the case of replicants, not actual human beings. In the real world, we've done genetic modifications to adults with mixed results. I suspect that by the time we're actually able to create replicant-like creatures, we'll be able to modify humans of any age with equal precision. Of course, we're some ways off from that happening.

Again, it's a common enough trope that only one person has specialized knowledge of something and when they die, that knowledge is lost that I can well see them using that in the sequel.

Replicant humans are different than replicant animals in the brain department. Animals no doubt are far easier to build a brain for. Humans? A far more complicated thing, especially when you're trying to dull their emotions and make them controllable. Which is why they have a fail-safe of a 4 year life span. Tyrell designed their brain.

Ceti Alpha V was not a hell-hole. It was paradise. Until the other planet blew up.

Rachel is not a prized child. She is as Tyrell put it: "Rachael is an experiment, nothing more." Rachel was designed with memories implanted from Tyrell's niece to test if giving Nexus-6 replicants memories would help make it easier to control them.

Sebastian is a genetic designer. Why would they let damaged DNA get into the Nexus-6 lines? They wouldn't. So yes the possibility of him donating genetic material can be ruled out.

"We only know that to be true in the case of replicants, not actual human beings." - No we know it to be both because why would Sebastian have not been cured if they could do it? He's a genetic designer for Tyrell corporation. Works with Tyrell, plays chess with Tyrell. He's not a dumbass. The corporation isn't going to want the genetic designer of the Nexus-6 lines to die needlessly if they had the technology to cure him.

We also know there is no cure because Sebastian tells us in the film that he can't go to the colonies because he's failed the genetic test.

You try to hard to bend things to your fantasy of how things are. You read too much into things. Just like your crazy what-if scenarios.

You'd fit in Hollywood perfectly. Wrecking films with ridiculous sequels or reboots that destroy the source material.

And what about the brain is tied to longevity?

It was described as being a demanding world, but with hard work, it could be a paradise. That changed after the planet blew up, but that's neither here nor there, as you know my point was the version of the planet we saw in TWoK.

Tyrell's comments could be seen as trying to reassure Deckard that they didn't have an army of Rachels they were planning on releasing into the market. Notice the look of smug pride on Tyrell's face after the completion of the test. "More human than human, that's our motto." Rachel was very close to beating the test, something Tyrell obviously wants. How could he not think of her as a prized child, even if she was only a stepping stone on the way to his ultimate goal?

Why start from scratch, when you can crib from nature? Sebastion's "damage" is the same as the Nexus-6 models "accelerated decrepitude." The big, sexy, gene editing technique we use today, CRISPR-9 costs $75 a pop, which is nothing, and we don't start from scratch, we take genes from one species and implant them in another.

If they cure him, he might leave. Tyrrell probably doesn't want Sebastian to leave. He thinks of Sebastian as a pet or a child. "What's the matter, Sebastian? Milk and cookies keep you awake?" Tyrell thinks of himself as god, and is filled with his own arrogance. When Roy shows up, Tyrrell doesn't call security, or try to deceive Roy, because Tyrrell arrogantly believes that when he tells Roy there's no hope, Roy will just accept his fate. It never occurs to Tyrrell that Roy will kill him. And Sebastian shows himself to be spineless in that scene, too scared to even run away as his boss is murdered before his very eyes.

No, all we know is that he's failed the genetic test. We don't know if there's an option for him to have the condition fixed and retake the test.

No, you just rigidly adhere to certain ideas and refuse to accept that there might be other possibilities. I didn't say I was certain that I thought they'd do the film this way, only that I think it's a possibility. I'd be surprised if I got everything entirely right (and disappointed too, since there's probably better ways to make a sequel than the one I've suggested), but I won't be surprised if some of the elements I've suggested appear in the final film. They are, after all, common tropes in Hollywood.

Save for the fact that I'm not a huge fan of TFA or JJAbrams Trek. I believe you like those very much, or am I mistaken?

Gaff makes an appearance in the film. http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/blade-runner/news/a823482/blade-runner-2049-brings-back-gaff/

More details, including how Replicants are made are in the new film, it seems. http://mashable.com/2017/03/28/blad...an-gosling-harrison-ford-movies/#aF_NX6lr7qqS

A few more details leak out.

I gotta say, however, that in this pic:



Ford's facial expression seems to be saying, "I'm just doing this so I can pay for my new hip."

Maybe, but it's the same look he's had for forty years. "get off my plane!

This looks a bit more brooding to me

Or he was thinking about the awkward landing he just made.

Oh, Monday was Leon's incept date.

And, it turns out that He's already on Twitter!

I love what Warwick Davis said when he introduced Harrison Ford unexpectedly at the recent Star Wars convention.

Davis (addressing Ford): "You made it hard to keep this secret when you landed the plane on Interstate 4"

Too bad the line isn't,"welcome to the jungle baby, time to die!"

Another teaser trailer.



Gosling looks like Edward Norton at the end of Fight Club in one shot. Wonder what that's about.

Looks good to me.

Yeah I'll be seeing that

Full trailer has dropped muthafuckas!



There are some really big hints in the trailer as to what the plot might be. Wonder how much of it is a headfake, and how much of it is actually as it appears?