Some mothertrucker in France just killed a bunch of folks!

Ok, I'm only going to dignify that with a response if someone else says they need an answer, otherwise I'll assume everyone sees the two historical falsehoods and one major logical error in that post.

What logical error? Millions joined the Nazi Party and the vast majority of Germans supported it. Yet most weren't loading Jews into boxcars, they were trying to win great victory for the German people, and then they were just trying to muddle through. You can say the same about the Syrian rebels, and the supporters of the Syrian regime, and the Muslims in Afghanistan, and the Muslims in Yemen, and the Muslims in Libya, and the Muslims in Nigeria, and the Muslims in Somalia, etc.

A core tenet of their religion is that Muslims are supposed to rule over Jews and Christians. Their victory is promised to them, just as Germans were told their Reich would last a thousand years. The ones that believe it cause a whole lot of trouble because they think they're setting the world right.

I honestly skipped his post, as I'm sure everyone without a rage boner for Musilims did.

That's an excellent example. By the logic you're supporting, every Syrian is responsible for the actions of every side in their civil war, including those they actively oppose, because a substantial number of Syrians support every one of those sides, and that paints all Syrians with their colours, given your broad brush.

And yet the Syrian Christians are at most just defending their neighborhoods, while the Syrian Jews are... Wait. There aren't any Syrian Jews because Muslims, who got rid of them. You know who else couldn't stand Jews? Nazis. It's pretty much just Nazis and Muslims who want to purge the world of Jews.

GTurner is right. You just vindicated the Nazis for the holocaust. That is how absurd your enabling has become. Maybe you should actually listen to MarkB rather than dismissing him.

In a word: No. But you just blamed the US for it.

Sure, champ.

Really? When was this?

I think you'll find the vast majority of, if not all, Syrian Jews left of their own accord.

No, I said that the gigantic global population of Muslims means that even if just half of 1% of it's population is committed to operations of terror it (the terrorist) is larger in total then several standing armies and that that sheer size alone (the terrorist) makes then a significant threat.

There are by estimates, some 4200 separate terrorist groups that state that they are in fact soldiers of Islam, and the various small cells and lone wolf single indivuduals. They are all operating largely independently, but they do have a very common goal ; to inflict massive amounts of carnage and death.

I am not saying anything about the global Muslim population except to comment on it's overall size as a pool.

That you chose to ignore that is on you. On a day to day basis, I have no concern. NYPD is terrible at a lot of things, particularly when it involves black men selling cigarettes but their intel division is top notch.

And for all of America's faults, it has not created Muslim ghettos like in almost every European city that are hotbeds of poverty, resentment, and isolation, and are breeding grounds of rage against their circumstances.

Just how many stories has BBC run on the large number of British Nationals fighting with ISIS, and the hand wringing discussions on what they'll get up to when they sneak home?

How about what's going on in France? Scandinavia? Why it's seems every other week the Italians or Germans are having to conduct some kind of a raid.

So yes, do feel free to do nervous back flips over semantics.

Ok, good. Once again, if that is indeed all you're saying, then you have successfully demonstrated that terrorism is a threat. On this, you and I agree 100%. Terrorism bad. Fire dangerous. Trees pretty.

But the last three times I said that, you insisted that you were saying more than that, and that that more was about relating Islam to terrorism. Your questions certainly seem to make little sense otherwise: You asked how many Muslims were terrorists, not how many terrorists existed; you asked how many Muslims shared their goals, not how many people shared their goals.

My point is that serious answers to those questions show that it is extremely foolish to use Islam as an indicator of terrorism, or to tie the religion to this threat.

But you seem to want to continue to do that. And you repeat that mistake again on a different level when you say this:

Apart from your misinformation -- "almost every European city", etc. --, you are again skewing the picture by focusing on Islam. You are perfectly correct when you say that poverty, resentment, and isolation in ghettos breed rage and violence. But that is very much true for many American cities as well. The violence that has lead to and continues around the BLM movement is a case in point. It is no more a result of different skin colours there than it is a result of different religions here.

What isolates these ghettos is economic desolation, backed up by various forms of bigotry along the lines of whatever ethnic divide seems appropriate. It is misleading to call ghettos a black problem in one place in the world, a Muslim problem in a second place, a Russian and yet another Palestinian problem in Israel, a Jewish problem in Singapore, an Indio problem in Brazil, and so on.

It is likewise misleading to think of terrorism as a result of Islam.

Wow, that really hits home, now that I have the personal connection.

According to what they've been finding on this guy's phone, he enjoyed both the vagina and the penis.

Via Drudge:
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See now, if that's true, they should be letting every single member of ISIS know that their current hero could deepthroat dick like it was going out of style.

Are you looking for a prize ribbon in myopia? If so you're almost there. Saying that the majority of terrorist self identify as Muslim and proclaim to be acting as soldiers of Islam does not in anyway equate to ALL Muslims being terrorist. So either I phrased it badly, though I don't believe that I did, you, in working to prove mathematically that in a parallel dimension Star Trek is real you have been distracted from what I was saying and not following it, or you're being purposely obtuse.

You cannot absent the religious context from this discussion when the majority of those self same terrorist SELF IDENTIFY as followers of Islam. Wether you in your infinite wisdom grant that they do indeed practice the religion is irrelevant, that they do is not. This seems to be quite a stumbling point for you. Don't know why, and you have not been able to coherently explain why.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...-immigrants-find-acceptance-in-europe-ghettos

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4375910.stm

https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...verty-and-exclusion-in-birmingham-in-pictures


http://www.spiegel.de/international...many-life-in-a-parallel-society-a-547717.html

http://theweek.com/articles/535096/frances-alienated-muslims

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...um-radical-islam-jihad-molenbeek-isis/416235/

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/Reading..._Of_Europe_And_Its_Muslims_Four_Scenarios.pdf

Just some quick reputable links to give evidence that I'm not wrong. Just anecdotally, but walking through some of those neighborhood in England, and in the Barbes section of Paris was interesting even from someone who lived in in Harlem in the 70's and went to baseball games in the South Bronx while it was burning.

There was a seething animosity for the 'other' that was palpable, particularly in Paris though I'm sure that my NY Yankees cap didn't help.

There is nothing like that in the Muslim community's in NYC, they are lovely vibrant community's with really good food!The have their own neighborhoods sure, but so did every other ethnic group that lived here. Why, do you think it's different here then in Europe?

Never said that it was though you have tried very hard to make it seem so. And for that alone....

I imagine part of the reason there isn't a lot of that here is because a big section of the more liberal minded Muslims got outta there ages ago and planted roots here.

That, and it's a helluva lot harder to sail to North America than to walk into any point in Europe.

Correct. What we used to get is the equivalent of Anglican and Presbyterian doctors, lawyers, and corporate executives. What Europe is getting is a few those immersed in hordes of the equivalent of hard shell Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists, Church of God, and a smattering of snake handlers, all from deep in Appalachia. Not long ago I spent hours talking to an Iranian woman who fled the Shah. After that she hung out with poets in Soho and San Francisco. She's about as Muslim as I am. In contrast, I also talked to some Iraqis, at least one of whom believed every word in the Koran is absolutely true - and that all Shias must die because they're evil monsters and a horrible abomination.

Nah, they'd just declare it a lie perpetrated by the Great Satan.

Cultists are pretty good at self-delusion.

Ok, let's make this easy. I don't know to make it easier than this:

"Terrorism is a threat."

Were you trying to make any point beyond that one?

Just chiming in to say that Paris is on very high alert currently. Police and military are stationed every few blocka, it seems. They evacuated a major train station yesterday over a bomb scare (turned out false) and they evacuated the Louvre on Friday evening for some reason (couldn't really find out why).

Eh, I don't think it would hurt to just throw it out there.

But it's not a threat in all in countries that don't have any Muslims. Why is that?

Recently divorced lumberjack goes on rampage.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europ...ng&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

no people.

"Danke, Germany, for taking in me and my family!" *chop*

He does that all the time. It is kind of his shtick.

Isn't it fascinating that Packard isn't at all disturbed by the prospect of his government lying to him and his fellow citizens while also ramping up prosecution of "hate speech crimes" that can consist of simply starting a private Facebook group to discuss peoples' experiences?

"and that all Shias must die because they're evil monsters and a horrible abomination."
That's the main difference between our cultures! Our democrats are evil monsters & a horrible abomination, but we don't kill them.

Not all things have the same cause. ISIS and "gun culture" are not mutually exclusive.

The gun culture is as bad as the commercial truck culture!

I get that, my point was that El Chup is fine with nuances when it comes to Muslims and terrorism, but not mass shootings and gun ownership in the US. In other words, the gun culture argument is BS