2016 Presidential Election Thread

People don't lie, but pollsters don't always include everyone running. Case in point, Gary Johnson is not mentioned a lot of times, but when he is, he gets close to the 15% or higher.

And people were going nuts wanting to vote for Obama, so as to get racial absolution (instead they've spent eight years being called racists). Democrats had a yuge lead in enthusiasm.

This time Hillary is having trouble filling high-school auditoriums while Trump is filling sports arenas.

Nobody is that enthused about voting for the most evil, corrupt, feeble, and non-human politician in human history.

So Hillary is a secret lizard person?

That 15% isn't enough to tilt things in Trump's favor in most polls. Additionally, while people will often say that they're going to vote for a 3rd party candidate, when they get in the polling booth, they often pull the lever for one of the main party candidates. I say this as someone who's voted 3rd party in several elections. I'd like to see Johnson or Stein get enough support that they qualify for the debates, or Federal funding in the next election, but I don't see it happening.

I don't know dude, Johnson has been polling pretty well. I think he might be in the debates.

Not going to happen. The rules say that a candidate has get 15% in 5 polls. Which polls aren't specified, and unless the GOP decides to overtly throw Trump under the bus, they're not going to accept enough polls to admit Johnson.

Have you seen her face lately? She not trying to hide it.

Not even Bill would hit that.

The polls are not in Trumps favor. The LA Times poll is one single poll. Anything can happen with one poll.

Look at the trend in the LA Times poll. Hillary peaked early.

And Assange hasn't launched his full spread of torpedoes yet, nor have the Russians, nor has the House. She is still very likely to end up in prison instead of the White House. That happens when someone has a pathological need to break laws.

It's very interesting that you're predicting the Russians will release something that would harm Clinton. Are you saying Vladimir Putin would prefer a Trump presidency?

That's the rumor.

Everyone who hasn't bribed her would prefer a Trump Presidency. Unfortunately that means it'll be a close one.

Unlikely, he is averaging 9 points and his all time best was 12 points. You need 15points or higher in three consecutive polls right before the debates to get in. It is a very high bar designed by thw two parties to exclude everyone else.

But they're not lying to the LA Times. Right...

They have specified the polls: ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, and CNN/ORC. He needs to make 15 in all of them (or at least have 15% be within the margin of error).

I have faith that they'll find reasons to handwave those away when the time comes.

A real thing, not a photoshop:

Not The Onion:

Michele Bachmann: I'm advising Trump on foreign policy

CNN Politics headline

Trump wants GOP to court black voters -- then slams voting rights for felons​

The network of the party of race-based human slavery and Jim Crow strikes again!

I agree that those who are enthusiastic for Hillary are - while not non-existant - a distinct minority of those who'll end up voting for her. She does NOT provoke widespread enthusiasm. She does, however, benefit from those who are wildly enthusiastic to see Trump lose. Those folks, though, don't go to political rallies.

of course!

doesn't seem to be a very recent poll in most of those, but the one's I could find range 8-11% with upward momentum. Probably has less than a month to reach the mark.

Albeit, there's a longstanding lawsuit over the issue too, but I haven't heard an update on that in a long time.

Tossed out of court, if we're thinking of the same ones.

The rule really should be that if a candidate manages to get on the ballot in enough states that they could get 270 electoral votes, they're in the debates.

The FBI says that they have 15,000 Hillary e-mails that were not included in the 30,000 e-mails she said she turned over to the State Department. The State Department says they won't release any of them until after the election, so Judicial Watch is dragging them into court again.

As William Safire said, Hillary is a congenital liar.

The 14,000 new e-mails will be the ones she wanted to hide from the federal government because they contain discussions of massive illegalities.

We've already learned that big Clinton donors, including foreign ones, were being granted special access and favors - which is called "corruption".

I'll take a corrupt politician (and she is) over an unhinged fascist any day.

Trump isn't a fascist. He runs beauty pageants. This election is a clear choice between beautiful women and a hideously ugly witch - who has no problem with Saudi Arabian laws for the treatment of women.

Indeed, her closest aide, Huma Abedin, who might become Hillary's chief of staff, shredded Hillary's pro-woman arguments.

NY Post story

Huma Abedin worked at a radical Muslim journal for a dozen years​

Hillary Clinton’s top campaign aide, and the woman who might be the future White House chief of staff to the first female US president, for a decade edited a radical Muslim publication that opposed women’s rights and blamed the US for 9/11.

One of Clinton’s biggest accomplishments listed on her campaign website is her support for the UN women’s conference in Bejing in 1995, when she famously declared, “Women’s rights are human rights.” Her speech has emerged as a focal point of her campaign, featured prominently in last month’s Morgan Freeman-narrated convention video introducing her as the Democratic nominee.

However, soon after that “historic and transformational” 1995 event, as Clinton recently described it, her top aide Huma Abedin published articles in a Saudi journal taking Clinton’s feminist platform apart, piece by piece. At the time, Abedin was assistant editor of the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs working under her mother, who remains editor-in-chief. She was also working in the White House as an intern for then-first lady Clinton.​

The Muslim Minority Affairs Journal was started at the behest of the Saudi Royal Family to organize Muslims in Western countries as a fifth-column to pave the way for Wahabist policies.

Headlined “Women’s Rights Are Islamic Rights,” a 1996 article argues that single moms, working moms and gay couples with children should not be recognized as families. It also states that more revealing dress ushered in by women’s liberation “directly translates into unwanted results of sexual promiscuity and irresponsibility and indirectly promote violence against women.” In other words, sexually liberated women are just asking to be raped.

“A conjugal family established through a marriage contract between a man and a woman, and extended through procreation is the only definition of family a Muslim can accept,” the author, a Saudi official with the Muslim World League, asserted, while warning of “the dangers of alternative lifestyles.” (Abedin’s journal was founded and funded by the former head of the Muslim World League.)​

Again, the Muslim World League is an NGO that's a mouthpiece of the Saudi Arabian government, which founded and funds it.

In a separate January 1996 article, Abedin’s mother — who was the Muslim World League’s delegate to the UN conference — wrote that Clinton and other speakers were advancing a “very aggressive and radically feminist” agenda that was un-Islamic and wrong because it focused on empowering women.

“‘Empowerment’ of women does more harm than benefit the cause of women or their relations with men,” Saleha Mahmood Abedin maintained, while forcefully arguing in favor of Islamic laws that have been roundly criticized for oppressing women.

“By placing women in the ‘care and protection’ of men and by making women responsible for those under her charge,” she argued, “Islamic values generate a sense of compassion in human and family relations.”

“Among all systems of belief, Islam goes the farthest in restoring equality across gender,” she claimed. “Acknowledging the very central role women play in procreation, child-raising and homemaking, Islam places the economic responsibility of supporting the family primarily on the male members.”

She seemed to rationalize domestic abuse as a result of “the stress and frustrations that men encounter in their daily lives.” While denouncing such violence, she didn’t think it did much good to punish men for it.​

And indeed, Bill can rape all the women he wants and Hillary won't do a damn thing to stop him. And of course Huma's disgraced husband, Anthony Weiner, continues to troll the Internet for cheap sex. Hillary and Huma are two peas in a pod.

She added in her 31-page treatise: “More men are victims of domestic violence than women . . . If we see the world through ‘men’s eyes’ we will find them suffering from many hardships and injustices.”​

That much is true, and why it's important for men to beat the fuck out of their wives from time to time, just to show them who's boss.

Huma continued to work for her mother’s journal through 2008. She is listed as “assistant editor” on the masthead of the 2002 issue in which her mother suggested the US was doomed to be attacked on 9/11 because of “sanctions” it leveled against Iraq and other “injustices” allegedly heaped on the Muslim world.​

Her mother also supports FGM:

Her [Hillary's] closest adviser served as an editor for that same Saudi propaganda organ for a dozen years. The same one that in 1999 published a book, edited by her mother, that justifies the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation under Islamic law, while claiming “man-made laws have in fact enslaved women.”​

Here's a picture of Hillary standing next to her closest aide's mom.


Huma's mom, who justifies 9/11 and supports Saudi Arabian laws on women, along with female genital mutilation, is second from right.

Hillary Clinton allowed a woman who is the spiritual kin to Osama bin Laden to have access to top secret US defense information on a daily basis. She is unfit to hold any office of trust in the United States.

That's a whole lot of effort for something one person might read

And that's why so many ignorant fools are still supporting the most corrupt and vile human being on the planet - Hillary Clinton.

But the law may be catching up with her sooner than you expect.