Mueller Investigation

Trump's pick to be the ambassador to Singapore has also been implicated in the investigation. https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...named-trump-official-cited-flynn-court/218714

Holy fuck.

Fox News (!) debating whether Mueller will charge Trump directly or turn over evidence to House.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/...-guilty-plea-could-lead-constitutional-crisis

Today is a good day to peek in at 4chan /pol again. I did. They are blaming Jewish people. Also there was a thread entitled "show us your smile after Trump wins the 2020 election". Those guys are always good for a laugh.

But just this morning there was no crime. What gives?

Makes you think that Mueller's really got the goods.

If the conservatives are giving ground on 'Trump didn't do anything illegal' and falling back to 'this should be handled by the House' that is indeed big news.

Now obviously Judge Napolitano is only dude but it will be interesting to see if this line of defense is where the cons are headed.

Na, I'm

Handled by the house? That's like allowing a 10 year old to lead a world of Warcraft raid.

In other words, your typical PUG in WoW x.x

Seriously.

To be a dual this means Castle went to rehab and got himself cleaned up and found some God to worship and get him on the straight and narrow path.

Yeah not believing Castle could do it.

ohdeve is not a Castle dual.

He can't charge Trump.

All he can do is hand it over to the House. Impeach, convict, remove, and once he's out of office than charge him.

God help this country if a sitting President could be charged while in office. We'd see charges all the time.

Oh and looking at what Flynn is actually charged with.....

All of this took place after Trump was elected. All transition teams talk to foreign countries. All of them.

Obama himself spoke to Russia and Poland's presidents in 2008 before Obama took office.

"CHICAGO, Nov. 8 -- President-elect Barack Obama spoke to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Saturday, another in a series of phone calls he has received from leaders of other nations." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/08/AR2008110802813.html

"Obama spoke to President Lech Kaczynski over the phone about continuing military and political cooperation between the two countries and possibly meeting in person soon, both sides said." http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/08/obama.us.poland.missile.shield/


It would be one hell of a stretch to accuse an incoming President of breaking the Logan Act which no one in over 200 years has been charged with.

Unless Flynn has something else on Trump than Flynn testifying that Trump told him to talk to the Russians after Trump was POTUS-Elect is a non-starter.

Now it is more likely that someone else other than Trump may be next on the Mueller block. Kushner is a prime candidate.

Here's a copy of the indictment:

So all of you who are jumping for joy that you got Trump.....

Not yet.

I don't think the issue is that Flynn simply talked to Russia. It's that he was acting as an agent of the US government...asking Putin not to retaliate against the sanctions and asking to delay a vote in the UN Security council.

Why not?

On a serious note, I don't think that justice will ever 'get' Trump. I find it much more likely that he resigns after pardoning himself and his family.

Because it would be a political nightmare for future Presidents and the country if a sitting President could be charged with a crime at any time.

Let the House impeach, let the Senate hold the trial and convict and remove, and than charge him once he's out of office.

While unprecedented it is possible.

Lots of unprecedented things have been happening lately.

Flynn was an agent of President Elect Trump's transition team. The incoming President.

It's a stretch.

Flynn better have something else on Trump or this is a waste of Mueller's time.

He was negotiating on behalf of the United States with a foreign government, and he wasn't an agent of the United States government.

Certainly it is possible. It was just be a very bad thing for the country.

A trial of a sitting President? What happens if a jury convicts him but the House doesn't impeach him? He's still President. How are you going to make him serve his time?

And that's assuming you could find an impartial jury or judge.

It would be better for everyone if Mueller wisely handed off everything to the House. Like Starr did with Clinton.

It's not mentioned in this very long article, but this guy has connections to Flynn. I think he and Flynn worked together on the plot to kidnap the Turkish cleric and have him smuggled back to Turkey, but I could be wrong. Anyways, he's flipped for the prosecution in another case and is spilling the beans about a billion-dollar deal between Turkey and Iran.

Flynn was on Trumps transition team. Trump at that point in December when Flynn was talking to the Russians is the incoming President. The transition teams talk to foreign governments. Flynn is in essence an agent on behalf of the United States at that point.

If Trump told Flynn to talk to the Russians after Trump was President-elect than there is no case here. Trump hasn't done anything outside of what any previous President-elect and their teams have done.

"Trump told me to talk to the Russians."

"Was this after he was President-Elect?"

"Yes."

There is no case at that point. All Trump and his lawyers will do is drag out Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, and all other Presidents actions while they were President-Elect.

Flynn better have something else on Trump because this currently is a charge that won't stick. Like during the general election or even the primaries that Trump told Flynn to talk to the Russians and Flynn has proof of it. Than you'd have a case for impeachment at that point.

I would imagine both would proceed concurrently. Once Mueller charges Trump and/or his inner circle that the House would start impeachment proceedings.

Keep in mind that criminal trials can take months to years to kick off.

I don't think you're wrong.

I think Flynn was working on it.

How? How could Flynn legally negotiate on behalf of the United States when Trump wasn't president?

Why did Flynn take a deal if talking to the Russians was okay?

More to the point, why did Flynn lie about talking to the Russians if it was okay?