Shooting at Florida high school

Citizens of the UK don't have many rights.

They can't even express their min... I mean, they can't even be mean to each other in written form.

Fuck off, you anus-faced catfucker.

You can start boasting about your freedoms when your government trusts you to be able to handle a Kinder Surprise.

To be fair, they're probably the only eggs he's allowed near.

Remember at Sandy Hook, how they said all the teachers ran towards the sound of gunfire to protect the children?
Those are the kind of people we're talking about - brave, caring about the children more than themselves.
Now replay that with a couple of them being trained and armed volunteers.

Isn't the problem here that, to shoot a target without hesitation, you have to dehumanise them? What if they're one of the kids the teachers care about?

I have to deal with student mental issues - anxiety, stress, thankfully NOT bullying yet but I expect it's only a matter of time - and my first instinct is to help them work through it. That's not a mindset conducive to doing an Ol' Yeller on them if they flip out.

The government is going to trust me to raise a kid starting later this year!

Best yet, we will homeschool!

This sheriff needs to go

I'm not sure goats need an education.

Then that could be a problem, but you can't dismiss a solution with one little "what if". We all have what ifs. But when that shooter is in the middle of slaughtering a roomful of children? Would you see a human being?

I don't discount the hopeful possibility of talking the shooter out of it if you know him. It would be nice, wouldn't it? It could be worth a try - from cover! I tend to doubt a shooter in the middle of a spree will pause to listen, though - past evidence doesn't seem to support it.

Dunno. Context specific, isn't it? But even in war soldiers have admitted they couldn't shoot or shot to suppress rather than kill because they had issues with this. And that's the enemy in a war. Not one member of a class I care for attacking other members.

I can only imagine the same feelings are at play as those in a family where one member is abusive. It rarely ends in the abuser getting taken out, though the abusees may try to GET out.

It's not "one little what-if" either - most educators DO NOT WANT THIS. We're there to teach and support kids, not be constantly assessing which of them needs a bullet in the head.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/armmewith-twitter-teachers-guns/index.html

This thread is filled with socio-paths who are fine with other innocent kids being killed on a regular basis as long as they get to keep their precious guns...
The NRA has shown it's true colours in the past week with how they reacted to the survivers, they really don't care about the kids lives either...
The NRA is a terrorist organization...

Yeah, I can see your point.
Still, nothing wrong with the option being there, is there?

Not that you had any credibility to begin with, but the terrorist nonsense takes any you might have away.

Imma go out on a limb here and suggest that - as a parent, if your first response when asked "who would I like teaching my kids?" is "a trained killer", then you need to take a serious look at yourself or the society you live in, ffs.

How about "who would you like protecting your kids?"?

Well, for me, cops. Or trained security.

Mind you, I live in a country where the question doesn't really fucking arise.

Also an option - in fact I'd prefer that too.

Didn't used to here either - again, we're all wondering what changed that make people do this shit.

Well apparently our cops are pussies and cower outside while children are murdered.

No we're not.

Critical mass reached on a curve with two variables: people and guns.

Reduce one or the other.

So, the natural assumption is that teachers will be so much more effective?

Y'all need to drop this testosterone-driven "got my gun in one hand and my dick in t'other" bullshit or this stuff ain't ever gonna stop.

You’re just mad because we have a constitution and you don’t.

no sir. He said you ALREADY can't buy fully auto weapons. He is - and this is basically the point of contention between those willing to pick around the edges and those who want a sea-change - suggesting that the restriction of semi-autos which can do what the AR-15 can do being restricted or banned is no more a violation of 2A than banning full-auto was.

To answer the question, among the other reason to limit high-power semi-autos like the AR-15 is because of the ability to BOTH deliver a high rate of fire and highly damaging velocity. It's not a binary choice.

and yet both automobiles and access to alcohol are subject to a considerable amount of regulation. Regulation != ban.

Actually they are very much a prohibitionist group.

Van Jones says teachers shouldn't have guns because they will probably shoot black and latino kids.

Skip to 2:10 to hear it.

The AR-15 isn't a "high power" gun, you dumb shit! It never ceases to amaze me how the people who want to get rid of them just don't seem to know a fucking thing about them. Why don't you just admit already that you just want to ban them because you think they look scary?

Scott Israel, Sheriff, is 100% leftist Democrat.

And speaking of dumb shits, hey idiot, fucking idiot - guns were much more available in the past than they are now, yet we didn't have problems like this. Let that thought sink in just a little. You honestly sound like one of those idiots trying to blame video games for this shit, in spite of this flying in the face of actual evidence that shows the complete opposite, which is that violent crime has steadily gone down since video games were even invented.

It's funny you should mention a ban (since we know that's what you really want anyway when it comes to guns) and the Constitution, because as you might recall, the only Constitutional amendment made to ban something was alcohol, and that sure worked out awesomely, didn't it? I mean, setting aside the fact that banning alcohol is no where near as bad as suggesting that we just severely hamper the ability of people to be able to defend themselves...