The Jeffery Epstein Case

Whelp, add another body to the list of people the Clintons have killed.

Let’s see, he’s on 24/7 suicide watch and there was a camera malfunction and only 8% of people on suicide watch actually succeed, so...

It’s simple but it’s expensive. 1:1
24 hours a day. For weeks? It’s a clinical decision really so are we saying he was at such high risk of suicide he entire time he required suicide watch for the last three weeks. I have high doubts. They stabilize you then they reduce the frequency of watch until you’re back in gen pop or protective custody getting checked on at shift change and count.

Apparently he was downgraded from that. Which you might itself think is suspicious.

But I've been meaning to point out to our former Captain Conspiracy that conspiracy theories have now been deemed a red flag by the FBI, so you just watch yourself bucko.

not at all - as far as I know a lot of army units have to do this. Thus I think many thousands of soldiers have been organizing things of this nature since before we were born. Any typical army unit could handle this particular mission standing on their head.
I'm thinking a federal incarceration center with probably the most high profile inmate they have had for quite some time can step up to the plate and get it done. Yes it's difficult and you have stay flexible but they aren't reinventing the wheel here. They aren't guarding Harry Houdini or Hannibal Lecter. He's an elderly man of normal capabilities and the guards and the managers are supposedly trained & experienced.

Yes and YouTube is taking conspiracy theory videos, I think we all know what’s next to be taken away.

It's okay, buddy. I'm sure they'll give you one of those nice padded rooms.

I would say there is a pretty good case for that. Do we know he hung himself? Because he was in gen pop at his location from what I understand. I would imagine he would have been able to get something to send him off smoothly if he was not in isolation. I heard he was being considered for DOT work so he must have been with other inmates. Maybe he just took the easy way out?

IMO that sucks because I would have liked to see him waste away for a while in prison, but that is life.

I very seriously doubt he was murdered. I suppose it's possible someone made a decision that deliberately enabled his suicide but I tend to doubt it because whoever made that call would've had to know that everyone would be crawling up his ass looking for the reason.

Since this very high profile prisoner had attempted suicide before, the lack of action to prevent the second (and successful) attempt is probably going to be a career-ender for someone.

Yes. The decision to put someone on suicidal precautions can be done by qualified mental health nurses, social workers, or psychiatrists.

To take someone off suicidal precautions however can only be done by a psychiatrist.

The goal is to eventually get you off suicidal precautions and into general population or in someone like Epstein's case to safety cell confinement. Safety cell confinement doesn't necessarily mean you're alone in a cell but it does mean you're not in general population. Epstein was in a cell with another inmate when he first tried to kill himself.

How it usually works is:

#1 You're suicidal or homicidal. So you're in a Ferguson.
#2 You're cleared. You have a regular uniform but you're not out of the mental health area yet. They want to make sure you're okay.
#3 Than you're cleared again to non-mental health population.

I've dealt with people on suicidal precautions for months. There are two types of people. One are the crazy ones who are not necessarily suicidal but they are so out of it that you don't want them anywhere near GP or in regular inmate clothing. We are talking about the ones who smear feces everywhere, bang their heads on walls or doors for no reason, yell/scream for hours, kick/bang on the doors. The ones where you know that if you open the door there is a high chance you're in a use of force situation. Getting those people medicated takes time.

But even they as crazy as they are can eventually make their way out of suicidal precautions though they are likely to always be in a mental health unit.

The other type? The cowards. The moment you take them off they try to self injury themselves or claim they are suicidal. Why? They don't want to go into general population because they can't handle jail. Big tough guys who run their mouth's behind the door but when you take them to GP they say they are hearing voices and are suicidal. It's always funny and annoying with these guys. Funny because you know they are just scared but can't admit it and annoying because they really suck up resources that should be going to the actual crazy ones.

But even they as well eventually get cleared and moved out and than it's just a betting game on how fast they come back from GP wearing a Ferguson garment. Some are a couple days, some hours, and some wait until they get to the transport van and claim they are suicidal and the transport officers reject them.

Should Epstein have been on suicidal precaution for his entire time? No. He doesn't fit the profile. They can't keep you suicidal forever. In fact he could claim his rights were being violated and he would be right.

What they should have done was have an officer on him 24-7. You don't need medical permission for that. The facility could do it on it's own.

I will say this: If someone wants to truly commit suicide it's almost impossible to stop them. Even in jail. Which is why it's so important you do your job. If Epstein killed himself and these officers had done their 30 minute check they would be okay because it only takes five minutes to kill yourself. But since they apparently weren't even doing the 30 minute checks they are going to take the fall for his death. (Assuming that is what happened. We only have rumors they weren't doing their job.)

Post #55, is that you?

Missed that, somehow.

In 2019 there is no way the guards helped him kill himself. It was more than likely just plain old vanilla incompetence on the guards part.

And really even if the guards were on top of their game and doing the 30 minute check that wouldn't have stopped Epstein from dying. He'd simply wait until you were at his door and the moment you walked off to the next door he'd hang himself. It takes only a couple minutes to die. Maybe a few more to be sure you can't be brought back. Thirty minutes? That's more than enough time to die.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons (since he was in a fed facility), the FBI, and the DOJ inspector general are going to be all over this facility. They are going to be crawling up the ass of everyone who had contact with Epstein. Officers, medical, even other inmates. All the paperwork is going to be seized. Any and all videos are seized. If you signed paperwork showing you were at Epstein's door at say 4:15 PM but they have a video of you in the Officer Mess at 4:15 PM you're going to be answering for that.

Really the only officers that don't have to worry are the ones who were on vacation at the time of his death or work in another part of the facility and had no contact with Epstein.

Totally agree. I was saying the only way someone could've contributed to his death would've been to refrain from keeping him under observation. But I even doubt that.

Incompetence is the most likely explanation.

But it's important. I never knew that.

If Epstein was killed than maybe the people who hired his killers didn't know that either.

The people who had Epstein whacked in jail upon learning that all evidence seized at the house can't be challenged because Epstein is dead:

It's going to be more than just them. It looks like the House is going to be involved.



I've heard even New York state is going to be investigating, but I'm not sure what their jurisdictional authority would be. If there was a conspiracy to kill Epstein, there's going to have to be an even larger one to keep it quiet.

Something else that occurred to me: With Epstein dead, more of his victims might be willing to come forward and speak.

This is a federal facility we're talking about, which will fuel speculation from conspiracy buffs that someone "higher up" (Barr? Trump?) gave the word to relax the security on Epstein. However, that doesn't wash in my book since, if I'm understanding the information from earlier in the thread correctly, Epstein's death makes everything of his that was under subpoena fair game. Yes, he's silenced, but the evidence around him could start screaming. If that's the case, if someone decided to kill Epstein, it might have been a panicky move that might ultimately blow up in their face.

Barr is making noises about getting to the bottom of things, but the fact is this happened on his watch. I really doubt that Barr gave a "back off" order, or anybody in his orbit, for that matter. But, no one looks good when something likes this happens. Incompetence seems a lot more likely than malice, but the inspector-general's report will be a good starting point for figuring out what happened. Stay tuned.

New York State has no jurisdiction. The feds will never let them into the facility or to see any evidence.

The House does have the right to look into this but I’d rather they wait for the investigation to be completed before they interfere just to blame this death on Trump.

or death in this situation! Anyway I just read that he was not on suicide watch - but I think he was still in isolation. Details are still all over the map right now.

Trumps already retweeting claims the Clintons were involved in Epsteins death.

Link?

Plus if true does him acting an idiot justify them acting like idiots?

Not sure that it'll show that he retweeted this



But here's a couple of screengrabs of his twitter page where you can see two posts of him retweeting that kind of stuff.

I'm pretty sure the only people the Clintons ever killed died in air strikes ordered by President Clinton. Against Iraq, Serbia, Sudan, Somalia, and Afghanistan.

Whelp, it looks like the Senate's going to investigate too.

They talked about him getting a job inside the prison, and possibly being one of the people who would do DOT work. I am pretty sure you cannot do that sort of thing in administrative segregation, aka isolation, but @Zombie would probably know better than me. You could put him in prison with a bunch of people who were not going to do well in a harder prison. White collar nonviolent types, pedophiles, big time snitches, transgendered, and other types of people like that. Those prisoners get a lot of privileges but you have to behave like a champ or you are fucked. I think that was where he was at, and if you are in a place like that getting a death dose of fentanyl probably was not too hard for him. I would imagine given who he was and who he could have harmed that offer probably would have come to him.

This early in the case, with all the evidence stacked up against him, and how long he would be in prison I would say there was a good possibility he took the easy way. The conspiracy would have been not watching him all the time until he was done giving them other people. I just hope that the police and FBI get to look through his shit and no one stops or deflects their determined investigators.

I would love to see this whole Epstein thing burn down the power structure on both sides and in business and Hollywood. I hope he is a hub for illegal activity that the world jumps on and uses to destroy a lot of bullshit. I have no love for the Clintons or the Obama's if they were involved in this. Just take down the trumps and the republicans too. Take the whole thing down and let's get some new faces and new people on both sides. I think with the internet the way it is we could see the racists and the perverts for who they are. I am pretty sure Epstein was connected with all the sleazebags on whatever side. Hit them all.

If we happen to catch too many of them we can always let some asylum seekers out and give their aluminum foil to the Epstein gang.