The Jeffery Epstein Case

Do you need some lotion for your butt? For some reason it seems to be all red and irritated. BTW having empathy and understanding of other people's emotions does not preclude one from being sadistic. I never made any claim I use my powers for good alone. Empathy would be required to enjoy your victim's suffering if one were to do such a thing.

Now, can you go get some fucking help because it seems like you are getting all excited over something you imply is just bullshit on the internet, and the drama never really impacted you at all unless you happened to know who I was and have seen what I have done. Calm down and let it go.

Here is a song to help you

Yes, yes, we all know, you're a terrible person who's done ghastly things, like driving el chup to suicide. Oh, wait. The reality is that just like Dayton, you make up shit to brag about, and then when called on it, you do your best to deflect.

But do go about how you're so good at trolling. Here's an idea, why don't you make me your next target? Come on, troll me to death.

I'll make you a deal: I'll drop the issue if you agree to never respond to one of Dayton/Tracker/Buttfucker/Whatever he decides to call himself posts again, or ever mention him and that Epstein hanged himself. Otherwise, expect me to drag your ass through this thread whenever I get a wild hair up my ass, just like you do Dayton and several other posters here.

Depends on the environment and what exactly "suicide watch" means for the institution. Most psyche environments are designed to be anti ligature, so you tend to see curtains which detach easily, bathrooms fixtures integral to the wall, etc but there are always ways for someone imaginative enough. Window frames can sometimes be used as fixtures as can doors, but I'm guessing those options weren't available.

Most prisons tend to make observations of high risk patients intermittent, which if too strictly adhered to can actually work against you in terms of being predictable. If someone knows they are checked every fifteen minutes religiously they know that after a check they have about fourteen and a half minutes to act, so randomising is generally more effective and the best practise is for staff to not only be simply checking the patient is alive but to be actively monitoring their mental state and verbally engaging with them where appropriate.

In secure hospitals (at least here) staffing levels tend to be higher and the environments more friendly to risk management so you can bring the risk down to something approaching zero by assigning staff to continuous observations if necessary. It's expensive to have someone being paid by the hour literally sat watching someone, especially when you consider they have to rotate to allow for fatigue, but it does work. Not only because it affords no windows of opportunity (assuming attentive staff) but also because the interactions can allow far more insight to the patients' mental state than observation alone and are commonly therapeutic in and of themselves.

What you tend to see more in that sort of situation is either a fairly limited number of scenarios. One is that the patient engages with staff and accepts medication, another is that they resist in some direct manner (such as becoming assaultative or refusing to be meds compliant), another is that an extended waiting game ensues with one party trying to convince the other to lower their guard, a third is that the patient may settle into a pattern of self harm or failed suicide attempts and inflict a finite but non fatal amount of damage to themselves before being prevented.

To be blunt it shouldn't happen but there's no such thing as a perfect situation and with the best will in the world there will always be the times when someone slips up, or a patient comes up with a totally novel tactic, or more commonly resources simply don't permit you the path you want to pursue so you're forced to compromise and document the fuck out of the fact that's what has happened.

The suggestion seems to have been raised that his guards were simply lax and failed to complete their checks at all for some reason, which is unforgivable if true and presumably easily proven by CCTV footage. I can't for the life of me imagine what was going on in their heads though given the obvious risks posed by this man and the high profile nature of his detention, not to mention the fact he had made a previous attempt quite recently.

I love how this thread turned into yet again @Tererun making a fool of himself by talking out of his ass.

Ignore function works great. Just sayin'...

You don't have to tolerate the insufferable asshats here if you don't want to.

Since you asked for it people, here it is. My explasnation of why this does not make sense.

1. We know epstein is a sadist and into being dominant and turned on by having power over people. We know this because he has an island where he keeps slaves and we have witnesses who say he is dominant and terrifying. So he is not some person who likes being submissive or humiliated. I will get back to this.

2. He is powerful, rich, and well connected with crime and politicians. This is a guy who could make and break people. This goes along with him being a dominant alpha male.

3. Hanging is a hard way to kill yourself. You have to stay there while you slowly choke to death and spasm. You shit and piss yourself. This would be humiliating and show desperation. This is not something a powerful alpha male would do because it is weak. He would not give his victims any bit of justice in his demise if he were suicidal. This is the sort of person who would want to skate off in pleasure saying fuck you, you can't hurt me anymore, and I went out on a cloud of bliss. That is the way a person like that would kill himself. He would make it a pleasurable death that saved him from years of being a prisoner.

4. Epstein would have had the best chance of anyone on earth to get a dose of drugs in prison that would send him off on a cloud. This is not a man without means. This is a man who has powerful criminal friends who he could certainly get some money to, or even just ask for a nice way out of this world. He could wait for a pleasant moment and say his goodbyes and no one would have been able to stop him from going out that way.

5. There was no desperation. If they had captured him outside prison having hung himself before he was captured I might give that some credit. However, he was already captured and in prison. We do have rules. He does have enough money to hire really powerful lawyers who would get him off if we tortured him or harmed a hair on his head. He would have been treated with the utmost respect and care. If he was suicidal there would be no dramatic moment of realization this far away from his capture. They let him off of suicide watch so we know he was acting as if he was going to defend himself and was not getting desperate.

This adds up to either one of two things happening.

The first one is someone killed him to shut him up. The degradation of hanging has a punishment aspect of it that would send a message to others that they could get them too. This would be ugly and messy and bad.

But the more I think about it I realize he probably isn't dead at all. How hard would it be for witness protection to make him go bye bye in prison where you can control everyone who can investigate and see the scene of the suicide. Has anyone outside of the power structure even seen the body? Not for nothing, this guy was so powerful and connected that he could be out there living the life on a private island under a different name and none of us would ever know the difference.

Whatever floats your butthurt. I really am not aware of why you have it, but go me.

I will say it again. To drive someone to suicide is not just a matter of insulting them really well. Even the most desperate of people can tune that sort of thing out. You have to understand a person and be able to attack them at their core to do something like that. It is not some magic words I say and someone offs themself. It is a psychological breakdown of their identity and destruction of their happiness.

I am not going to do it to you because it is a lot of work, and there is no reason for me to do so. It isn't just oooops I pulled the trigger and something happened. It is a long hard slog of sadistic torture and malevolence. It is not pleasant, and I do not want to throw it about like a toy. That sort of understanding goes the other way too. It can be used to put a broken person back together again. I can dip deep into the pits of despair and pull people out of their own self loathing.

Oh, and before you go on about how I am bragging, you brought this old dead shit up. It is fine with me that you did, but don't pretend like I have been waving it around like a banner in recent history. When I talk of being there I am talking about my own depression and suicidal thoughts, along with my own experience in jail from a prisoner's end. That would be a white rich priviledged prisoner who would get every benefit in our legal system. I am not his level of powerful, but I am on the hill.

LMFAO at @Tererun claiming to have "powers". There's probably three people on the board who don't just scroll past his posts.

What the fuck are you talking about? I am not the one whining about what I did, that is you. If I don't have such powers then there is nothing to worry about and be so butt hurt over, right? So why the need to drag it up again and throw it about if it is all bullshit and everyone knows it? It was sad that chup was so caught up in it all, but you are making drama out of something you say is not even true. So what is it? Am I a person who can hurt someone emotionally and push them over the edge, or am I weak like you say? I am not the one who brought all this shit up.

Say what you got to say and get it the fuck out of your system. Don't carry all this bullshit around with you and get all worked up about it. It is that sort of attitude that drove me to do those things in the first place.

Dude. You sound like all those folks raving about Pizzagate and claiming Sandy Hook was a false flag operation at this point.

S T O P

Should we force tereun and Dayton to get marriedA?

You can stop too.

Yeah, but you guys get all butthurt when we on staff use it, so...

Sure if we liquidated all billionaires and their assets there would be 9 trillion to pump into global infrastructure but without them how would we do all the important things that need to be done such as:

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Well, the U.S. national debt is up over 20 trillion now, so no point spending it on that: it doesn't even cover half.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/...rrectional-center.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

I agree.

Certainly wouldn't be surprised if it turned out some very powerful person had organised his killing, but suicide seems most likely at this point.

If there was a conspiracy then I suspect it is someone tweaking things to make sure he had the opportunity to do it, although plain incompetence seems quite possible.

Tempted to make his name Alex Jonesin'

Extreme Overtime sounds like a redundant phrase, btw

That said....

Wow, Downtown Julie Brown changed her accent and her race.

BUT I THOUGHT AMERICA WAS GREAT AGAIN!

Unemployment at ALL TIME LOW! Why would anyone have to work OT?