http://www.edgevillebuzz.com/news/m...man-says-incidents-could-happen-again-tonight Some of the damage in my neighborhood caused by the roving bands of looters (NOT protesters) from out of town. Somebody threw a brick through the window of a doggy daycare.
Mayors & governors (hell all politicians) are really in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situation when it comes to dictating police actions and force/lack of force. If they are too aggressive they are heavy-handed brutal bullies. If they hesitate or too accommodating to troublemakers they are weak and ineffectual. You can't please everybody!
The only ones I see grumbling "weak and ineffectual", tend to be fascists that cream their jockeys when they see suffering. Wouldn't wanna displease them. No, that would be a damned crying shame.
Did George Floyd hate dogs? I mean it's all about "justice" right? Ya know I'm really getting sick of these looters, vandals & rioters. My empathy meter for somebody attacking a doggy daycare is barely registering. My empathy meter for any twisted wordforge fuck rationalizing attacking a doggy daycare doesn't even nudge the needle. But hey, nothing we didn't do during our own fight for independence, right?
Yay!! A human being died over property!!! *Kisses the ATM* You're safe, honey. It's going to be okay.
It's absolutely revolting, there's nothing that can possibly justify making innocent animals suffer. But the objective, factual, truth is you are right. Worse things have happened and will happen again in the name of liberty, freedom, sovereignty, whatever. Perhaps a better approach might be for the POTUS to stop aggravating matters before this becomes a civil war.
yes, wanting to stop chaos and business and homes burning is pure unadulterated fascism. Well you're safe in your basement for now at least. Hopefully if a mob sets your home on fire your local fascist police & firemen won't interfere because that could cause suffering for the rioters.
was this human defending his property? Nope, just trying to get property that wasn't his. Was this human forced into blowing up this ATM? Survey says not too likely. So this dumb fuck deserves pity why exactly?
If cops don't want chaos, might want to tell them to stop leaving piles of bricks around to get thrown to justify violence on the crowds. People that don't want chaos don't tend to do that. That's kind of a Joker tactic when you think about it.
Not pity, exactly. The jizz down your leg is a bad look though. So's not understanding why it's a bad look.
We were taught it. But, we were also only told to use it as a last resort because it's so dangerous. Let me tell you something about police training nationwide. It's laughable and has been for generations. These guys in Riot Gear in Birmingham? Unless they purposefully sought out training on their own time and dime, the last time they had any sort of training in the gear was a half-day in the Academy, which for some was decades ago. Departmental training for Continuing Education credits are done at the lowest cost possible. If the State says you need 24 CEU's to keep your certification, the agency gets the 24 cheapest CEU's they can. That's why continuing training is about feel good nonsense, that's always in a classroom, never in the field. It's not about training. It's about cost and these agencies are now reaping what they've sown. The vast majority of what I learned to keep me alive was not learned in the Academy. It was what I was taught at home as a child and what I learned from good supervisors that actually cared about their people and the citizenry. I've also said this before, but I'll say it again. I can't speak to policing all over the world. But, I can speak about policing in the US in general and locally as an expert. You must find that balance. There's a balancing game between two archetypes. Billy Badass and Barney Fife. You can't be one or the other all of the time. That's the road to ruin. If you're Billy Badass all the time, the community isn't going to trust you. If you're Barney Fife, the community isn't going to respect you. Because of that, it's Barney Fife that goes to the Funeral Home at the end of his shift while Billy Badass goes home. So, we have a mostly well-meaning force of amateurs who don't have the training they need trying to strike a fine balance between those two archetypes. And we wonder, as a nation, why we're in this situation.
it's the binary left - don't try to understand their thought process, it will only lead to madness obviously.
On the bright side, it does give you a convenient excuse to dismiss the concerns over the root causes of the problems.
so Elwood what can be done? The problem is identified and the obvious solution is more effective training. Now the trick is to find people willing to pay substantially more taxes to fund it!
So mike what is "the root cause" of attacking a doggy daycare? Economic disparity? Will attacking such a place put money in the pocket of the disenfranchised brick thrower? Walk me through your thought process. Will attacking the daycare level the playing field for future opportunity for the brick thrower? Break it down for us rioting impaired squares!
I can't speak to other States, but our Police Academies are 12-14 week programs. That needs to be doubled, at least. We need to look at the DoD model. 12 weeks of basic training followed by 12 weeks of specialization training. Then quarterly, two week, specialization training throughout the year. It needs to be a mix of classroom training and realistic exercises. Create a career path for people to move up and around in the agency. Now we have to pay for it and staff it. Edit: Employment contracts will also need to be extended accordingly to make up the difference in investment. Currently, you have to sign on to work for an agency for 24 months for them to pay for you to go to the Academy. After that 24 months, an awful lot of good officers leave for other, better paying, departments that reap the reward of not having to send people to the Academy. You'll need to start doing it like the DoD. 5 year contracts.
I actually am a lawyer, and clerked for about a year in a prosecutor's office. And yes, he's got vastly more experience than I do and more relevant experience than I do. Not that that inherently means I'm right or he's right. Neither of us is licensed to practice in MN, as far as I know, and obviously two lawyers can look at the same set of facts and come to radically different conclusions all the time. A) I am pretty sure what you said about choke holds is untrue. See this 2014 article: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...erate-their-officers-using-neck-holds/458079/ Or this one following Floyd's death: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.html B) Even if you had been right, that does not mean that there would not be some expert who would attempt to justify the technique Chauvin used.
And countless pages later, we can see exactly who's all but ignoring the police brutality and attacks against peaceful protesters while focusing on individual looters.
this is America - we'll stay on China's teat forever to avoid paying five dollars more for a pair of jeans. Increasing taxes for a more effective police force is a hard sell.
IMHO this isn't even a "training" thing it's a common sense thing. Somebody can move their head/neck out of the way and out of your positive control easier & faster than moving their entire body. Not to sound too graphic but it's why you don't take neck shots (or worse head shots) on deer. They can twitch and move their neck or head much faster and easier than they can move their upper torso - and it's a smaller target too. Or you can think about it from the fighting aspect - it's harder to avoid a body kick than to avoid a head kick - basic physics says you can't more mass out of the way in X amount of time as fast as you can move less mass out of the way in X amount of time.
And it's easy in a vaccuum to say that it is. I have never been trained in any law enforcement techniques and have never had to restrain anyone. Common sense tells me that you don't want to be messing around with someone's neck because of the danger of pressure choking or positional choking are too high. But it sounds like this was a technique MPD taught till Eric Garner. There is undoubtedly someone with credentials and a willingness to take cash, check or credit card will say this is legit. And maybe the evidence is that it is legit. Can prosecutors actually prove it's BS? We'll have to stay tuned.
Thank goodness for the people you have restrained and for you and your family. But do you doubt for a second that there is an active or retired cop who is willing to testify that there is nothing wrong in principle with putting your knee on a restrained suspect's neck or that it is taught as a technique at various police departments? I don't.
what amazes me is that Minnesota state law does not prohibit cops putting a knee on a neck. Then again maybe whomever makes laws never thought any cop would be dumb enough to even do it.
