Protests have turned into looting after a black man was killed by a white police officer https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...r-george-floyds-deadly-encounter-with-police/
The trouble in Minnesota was the man's murder. Nice of you to notice only when damage to property was involved.
Remember though if you say you can't breathe, you can. That's what was said in this thread. https://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2632199/ https://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2632232/
One thing I noticed - there are a lot of white people protesting this murder. This video might be a catalyst for far-reaching change in policing (at least in Minneapolis).
watching a live stream. lots of fireworks, but sounds like a bit of gunfire too. a few folks with scanners saying the cops are deploying CS and have been using rubber bullets. The feed has been cut since it looked like the cops had kettled everyone on that block.
And it's accurate. If you can talk that means you're breathing. I suspect this guy wasn't being airway choked but given the position of the knee on his neck he was essentially having a blood choke applied to him. Blood flow to his brain area was being severely affected and can very easily and quickly lead to death if applied for too long. Seven minutes? That's more than enough time to kill someone by cutting off blood flow to their brain. You'd know that if you weren't such a fucking idiot.
I could get a delay in arrest and prosecution if you needed vidence to link the killer to the crime. However, we know who did the killing and there is no doubt. This would obviously be an affirmative defense where we kknow the defendant did the killing. So you make the charge and arrest. If you are waffling between manslaughter and murder charges then tell that to the public. Let them know the investigation is going on to determine if murder charges over manslaughter can be prosecuted, and that you are not considering no charges at all. I could be wrong, but I think the main worry is that the killer is just going to not be charged with a crime like in many other cases, and the public has to make a stand to force the justice system to do something because that is how it has worked so many other times. Firing the officers quickly was a great move, but the public has to know that their government is coming with a criminal charge. Manslaughter or negligent homicide are a minimum charge here. This is not some mysterious death the officer could not have predicted. Choking someone leads to their death. This is why many places have said choke holds should not be used in subduing a person because they are a direct way of killing someone. The time to be discussing mitigation of punishment for the crime is during the sentencing part of the trial and not having the police and prosecutor be the judge and jury of the crime.
There is no way the officer with the knee on the neck is not charged with killing the guy. It's the other officers whose charges may differ. But for all those saying, "arrest now" you can't do that. Once you arrest the clock starts ticking on the court process. They need the evidence from the autopsy. They need to do everything right. You don't want any mistakes in a case like this. Let them do their investigation. Let them cross every T and dot every I. The mayor, the police chief, and everyone all seem to be on the same page here. So I'm not worried that the officers will not be charged. Unfortunately people who are rioting, now in LA as well, are making things more difficult.
Hmm yes, I'm sure if this was a case of an assailant having choked an on-duty cop to death they would be walking the streets free until the full investigation had taken place.
I do agree there is a reasonable amount of time for charges to come. I would also say that over all the government has promoted distrust that they will do the proper thing over time in regards to other cases, and also promoted the idea that civil unrest is a factor in whether these charges get placed in the first place. This is why some people may feel a need to start protesting now to say you have to do something, because they have seen the prosecutors do nothing so often in the past. I agree this needs to be handled properly because there will be such a serious defense against it and we want justice to happen and not have some procedural fuck up happen. This is where the governor and mayor could be lowering tensions by letting the people know they expect the proper charges to come in a timely manner and explain the situation is not being ignored. That is why you have the supervisor/manager there to say they are not letting this go and to actually be an impetus in making sure it happens. That sort of person should also be the one who is making sure whatever lead to this happening in the first place should be changed. Part of the problem is we have seen this in other areas before and the heads of the state should already have training and rules in place that show an effort has been made to reduce these events. If they have not done so at this point then there is another issue where people need to demand they do something rather than just waiting to pnish things the next time they get caught doing them.
Yes, and no. A police officer is given authority to physically detain and arrest a person that no other citizen has. Therefore there would be a different level of investigation that has to happen to make the case that this went beyond the authority society gives a LEO. Your comparison is not the same. If I went out and choked a police officer to death by restraining him like this there would be no authority I would have had to assault him so they would be able to proceed immediately with charges.
I have just seen the new footage that has come out from before the incident showing the victim never resisted arrest nor was violent to the point where you would need to put your knee on his neck. This is obviously more evidence being gathered that needs to be reviewed before making charges which might involve things like perjury on the police side, obstruction of justice for the other officers, and getting what would be more serious charges on the suspects. In order to have all the proper justice these records need to be reviewed because that may not be manslaughter or negligent homicide. There may be some sort of motive and that may be murder. Certainly there may be crimes of making false sworn statements by the other officers. So as much as it is painful to wait for charges, hopefully the wait will bring more charges in this case because seeing the video before hand someone is lying and covering upo for that officer if they are saying that an resisted and needed to be restrained so violently and dangerously. Those people need to be charged also.
Totally a agree a properly employed blood choke is fast - you'll be out in fifteen seconds with zero ill effects. Brain shuts down, body goes limp, choke is released and you wake back up with no memory of the prior minute or so before you were choked. We trained that shit a lot in the military. My own son was choked out by a certified qualified MMA trainer and the video was hilarious. At no point and under no circumstances does a blood choke involve keeping your knee on the neck of a handcuffed prone detainee. Basic anatomy and physics would tell any sane & normal person doing what this cop did is dangerous and pointless. Last night an actual retired high ranking cop was on TV news saying he doesn't believe any police force in this nation would train cops to do what this cop did. The cop is FUBAR doing his own thing for god knows what reason, but hopefully we'll find out soon enough at his trial. And what is really, really scary is WHY THE FUCK DID THE OTHER THREE COPS ALLOW IT? Damn I hope that this cop is found guilty of murder and gets "maxed out" in punishment, and the other cops maxed out for being complicit. I just don't see manslaughter because this wasn't a snap decision in the heat of the moment that went south too quickly. The cop had NINE MINUTES to think it over stop his dangerous and cruel behavior. Detainee is cuffed and prone and no further threat at that point. Why wasn't the guy put in a squad car at first opportunity? This is beyond the pale - this is beyond Third World thuggery & brutality. MAX HIM OUT!
I agree that this cop apparently committed murder and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. I'm quite troubled by the looting, vandalism and burning of buildings and cars. Someone else is going to get killed. Also, apparently this cop is married to Mrs. Minnesota? If so, that's one thing he'll never enjoy again. What a nightmare.
