BREAKING: U.S. Civil War commences

What are you doing here? Killing time between giving truck stop blowies?

I was just thinking to myself:

Have any of Rightforge actually condemned President Trump's incidentment of the rioting or the rioting itself? Or really any of the run-up to this?

I believe at some point oldfella has conceded that he does not believe there was not fraud enough to overturn the election results.

Well, what say you, Rightforge?

@oldfella1962, @Paladin, @The Ghost of Crazy Horse, @Tuttle ... whoever else?

Can we get a no-BS, unequivocal statement from each of you (hell, any of you) that

1. Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud are false
2. The courts were right to reject basically all of his challenges
3. Trump acted wrongly and possibly criminally in trying to get election officials in Georgia to find him 11k votes
4. Trump committed an immoral and possibly illegal act when he continued to stir the pot before the riot on Wednesday
5. The riot should be condemned.
6. If timing were not a factor, Trump absolutely should be impeached and removed from office for his conduct.

Timing is absolutely a factor because Trump knows he has just a few days to get out of all of the crimes he's committed, as opposed to e.g. October when he still thought he would win the election and kick the can down the road four more years. Congress and Pence essentially aided and abetted him by letting him have the weekend to wriggle out of the legalities of this jam.

Paladin will gloat on the tempered sword bit and say he told us so.

Paladin can choke on my tempered sword and then have a sign hung round his neck saying "not allowed to comment on any question of morals ever fucking again, because I know deep down what I did and I will have my nose rubbed in it if I keep being a bad dog".

Told you so!

@Zombie @Sokar @Sokar's Ghost

1. No evidence of significant fraud was ever presented, so I rate claims of fraud as false.
2. To my knowledge, all of the courts ruled in a manner consistent with the evidence.
3. No.
4. Illegal? No. Unwise? Irresponsible? Yes.
5. All riots should be condemned.
6. No, because there's no evidence of any crime.

FTFY.

no, that's your "side hustle" and I don't want to take food (or dicks) out of your mouth.

As more and more videos of Wednesday's insurrection are released, it's becoming abundantly clear that things were far worse than we had originally thought.

https://us.cnn.com/2021/01/09/media/reliable-sources-january-8/index.html

It's amazing more people didn't die.

1. trump lied
2. trump lied
3. Yes
4. Yes, inciting violence definitely is against the law.
5. Wednesday’s actions was not a riot but an attempted insurrection.
6. The evidence is right in front of your face. Open your eyes.

about #6 - Trump could still be impeached even after he's gone. I didn't read all the legalities but Clyburn? or some Democratic leader said they could squeeze in voting to impeach him, but that papers wouldn't be served until after Biden's first 100 days in office. Joe has a lot of unity to spread first. But if they want to vote to impeach they better hustle - they only have a week and change, because 18 January is MLK day which is a Federal holiday, so I don't know if the government will even work that day.
As for a crime (which must be proven in a court of law) being committed by Trump I stand by my statement that specific words will be a factor. That said for all I know the rules of impeachment may be
different than actual laws in a normal court case. In that situation they Democrats might have enough evidence to impeach him.

The problem with not removing Trump from office ASAP is that there is a high likelihood that some of the insurrectionists will be pardoned before he's dragged from the White House.

What happened on Wednesday needs a swift and strong response, and given that four days have already passed I fear nobody seems to be up to the task.

agree! 18 Molotov cocktails would have been ugly and likely been the trigger (no pun intended) for the cops to go on the offensive.

oldfella's mom could always tell when his sister was having her period because oldfella's dick would taste different.

So are you saying that Trump was morally right to ask Georgia officials in the hour-long phone call? How so?

hilarious but I think that's just an "old wives" tale loosely based on your mom's experiences.

As an aside, I like how one person brought a French flag like this is fucking Les Miserables or some shit

Also the "Blacks for Trump" shit that was proven to be astroturf. I doubt the guy holding the sign was even black

The rules of impeachment boils down to a "high crime or misdemeanor" is whatever Congress says it is.

I made no claim about morality. Only that there wasn't anything illegal.

Since when was impeachment predicated on committing crimes?

ETA: inciting riots is criminal.

That Trump is too stupid to know what the results would be is not a defense.

ETA: The two statements asked for were "Trump acted wrongly and possibly criminally in trying to get election officials in Georgia to find him 11k votes" and "Trump committed an immoral and possibly illegal act."

You answered a flat no in response to the first.

So please clarify: Was what Trump did in calling the Georgia officials asking for them to find votes in his favor moral in your opinion? Why or why not?

FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME:

IT WASN'T A RIOT.

IT WAS AN INSURRECTION.

Then you're even dumber than I give you credit for.

Sorry. I couldn't find criminal code on insurrection.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

If what happened Wednesday wasn't a textbook case of insurrection, I don't know what is.

Actually it was sedition!! Not insurrection!!!

Source


Do I hear treason?

Whats with all the excitement? Trump will just pardon everyone.

Didn't he threaten Raffensperger with a possible criminal charge if he didn't "find" some more votes and then tell everyone it was because of a "recalculation"?