McDonald's Pay Tangent

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Paladin, Dec 11, 2019.

  1. Nyx

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you consume a lot of spit.
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  2. tafkats

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    I often wonder how many of the people who rant online about how worthless and unskilled they think restaurant workers are would be willing to go up to the counter and say it to somebody's face.
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  3. Nyx

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    Some probably will, but most will slink back to their cars and chew us out after they've left, like all cowards. The truth is, if you (general you) think a restaurant worker doesn't deserve a livable minimum wage, so they can afford food and shelter (why the fuck are they working otherwise?), then you believe they are a lower class than you are, and that the people who prepare your food should be grateful just to serve you.
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  4. Uncle Albert

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    I can do better than that. "A mind that's weak and a back that's strong" are always in demand. :finger:
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  5. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    They can. What they cannot afford is a single luxury, a moments' lapse in self-discipline, or the expenses of other people. And once again, "deserving" is a fucking irrelevant, juvenile FANTASY.
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    I see. So it's OK for you to pick and choose what you're willing to do for a given amount of money; it's just not OK for the people you view as being less than you.
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  7. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    No, you pick the most favorable among the options available to you, which for me skew a bit towards manual labor because I am built for it. What you do NOT ever fucking do is throw up your hands and say "The work I can get is beneath me, so I demand someone else pay my bills."
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  8. Nyx

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    You're joking, right?

    The poverty line for a single individual is $12,880 a year.
    The yearly take home pay for full time at $7.50/hr is $15,600 a year before taxes.

    A person making $7.50 an hour makes $1300 a month before taxes.

    The average rent for a one bedroom apartment in the US is $1,200 a month.
    Aside from some very small pockets in places, the low end for rent in the US is approximately $725 a month.

    That doesn't take into account food, medicine, clothing, utilities, sundries that keep that place clean and sanitary, transportation expenses, and most definitely not emergencies.

    That's not even subsistence living, because one cannot subsist on that.

    @Uncle Albert's like "you will suffer for my supper, and by god if I think you're having one moment of enjoyment in your daily grind of existence, I'll get you fired."
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    How Uncle Albert looks defending the right of billion dollar fast food companies to poor workers’ labor at whatever poverty wages they deign to give them:


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  10. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    That right there is the consequence of Ancalagon's fucktarded philosophy of stacking everyone on top of each other in congested urban hellscapes.

    I'll need to see what someone thinks they should get to eat.

    Well maybe those vaunted socialist countries can start pulling their weight in subsidizing R&D.

    I guaran-motherfucking-tee you that most people think they should have more than they need.

    Subtracting cable, internet, and cell phone service, I hope.

    Cleaning is soooooooo expensive. :dayton:

    I will hear this complaint only if you do not possess two working legs.

    Every spare dime goes into a rainy day fund. Tobacco? Nope. Caffiene? Nope. Alcohol? Nope.

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  11. Steal Your Face

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    Don't forget that your apartment may not have a washer and dryer so you gotta pay for that too.
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  12. Uncle Albert

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    Studio apartment next to the laundry room, yo! :waving:
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  13. Nyx

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    Yeah, most of these apartments are bare bones. Our didn't come with anything except basic fixtures (toilet, bathtub, sink, kitchen sink) and a 30 year old refrigerator. no washer/dryer, stove, no utilities paid (where we live garbage pickup and water are combined starting at $85 a month regardless of how little water you use). When we moved in we had to clean the carpet immediately (and to this day if you walk on it in white socks they will become black socks), we had to replace the water heater, and all of the electrical outlets are so old that you couldn't plug anything in. $700 a month, and that's because we live in the bad part of bumfuck nowhere. Police did a drug raid 3 houses down from us today. Last week a person was murdered two apartments over. Last year, a guy had a shootout outside his house halfway down the street. I've recently started walking to improve my heart, and I've taken to driving over to the park in the mornings because walking down the sidewalk here it's littered with garbage, old lawnmowers, dog shit, and broken glass.

    We make, combined, more than $35,000 a year, and it's just enough to cover most of the basics. Clearly we've spared no expense and live in the lap of luxury, though. UA's punching a 16 year old cashier as we speak.
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  14. Uncle Albert

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    1) I was that 16 year old cashier. I am exceedingly nice to cashiers and wait staff. Anyone who has been in public with me can verify.

    2) You are living in the wrong savage hinterlands.
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  15. Nyx

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    Changing jobs, and uprooting everything and relocating is obscenely expensive.
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  16. Steal Your Face

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    This is true, but sometimes you got to bite the bullet if you want improve your lot in life. Risk is our business.
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    Is this where you say the concept of disciplining towards long-term goals at the expense of immediate gratification in smaller matters is a tool of the oppressors? :dayton:
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  18. Nyx

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    Bite what bullet? If you don't have the money to move, you don't move. If your healthcare is dependent upon your job, you can't move without losing that healthcare. Most employers don't do first day benefits.

    No, it's where I say pull your head out of your ass and quit condemning people to death for being poor, or for having the temerity to do a low wage (not low skill, low WAGE) job you'd be fired from repeatedly.
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    The telemarketing gig didn't work out? :huh:




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  20. Mrs. Albert

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    Just going to throw this out there. UA’s views on self-reliance are extreme to most people, but they are genuine. He would never expect from someone something he would not do himself. He is also very nice to low wage workers. Not in a happy, friendly way of course. In a respectful way. In an efficient, I have my order prepared in my mind, I have my payment ready, I appreciate the service you have provided and will kindly get my shit and get out of your face kind of way. :D
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  22. Bailey

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    Problem with that is that it assumes people will only use skills within the current rules.

    Get enough starving people whose skill is rolling out the guillotine and taking rich peoples stuff, and whelp...

    This over simplifies the problem. If you have nothing to spare, then taking a risk involves gambling more than you have.

    If you want people to take a leap of faith, then you need a strong safety net in place to catch those who miss and fall.
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  23. Steal Your Face

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    Yes it's oversimplified. What I'm trying to say is if you're in a situation that @Amaris is describing, you don't have to stay in that position forever. You take your time and find a better paying job that also has the benefits you're looking for. If you really need to, find some supplemental income on in your free time. It's already been pointed out that Uber is good for that because you set your own hours. Then when the time comes, you move out and find a better apartment. If you still need health coverage, I'm pretty sure you can use COBRA. The upfront cost of doing this may be high, but wouldn't it be worth it in the long run, especially if you're not living in a shit hole apartment?
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    Oh shit you're onto something there why don't they just get a better paying job with benefits.

    You should go national with this revolutionary plan.
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  26. Steal Your Face

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    It’s not impossible.
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    I'll note that Uber requires you to have a car that's less than 10 years old and can pass their inspection. And "free time" is something that whether you have it or not is often determined by life circumstances beyond your control.
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    It shouldn't stop you from trying to better yourself. Or you can just continue to complain about your life and how the man is keeping you down.
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    This.

    I’ve said before that while I haven’t needed my parents money the safety net of just their existence allowed me to take risks I wouldn’t have been able to otherwise.

    Back in the fall of 2013 I was working a contract job that ended at the end of the year. I had a 6 month old child. And I could tell my neighborhood was about to explode in value. I knew that if I didn’t buy a place at that moment I wouldn’t be able to. I’d need to work at my new job for six months first and by then it would be too late. We would have been priced out of our neighborhood. So I had to buy then.

    However my spouse was concerned about buying a house when I didn’t have a job lined up when my contract ended in a few months.

    My parents wealth allowed me to convince them we could risk it. I argued that worse case scenario I could borrow money from them to keep us in the house. That my parents would let their grandchild be homeless.

    We bought the house, I got a new, better paying job and now I have $550k of equity. I ‘earned’ over half a million bucks these last 8 years by paying less in mortgage than I would have in rent (Seattle’s job market has died so hard rents are double what they were 10 years ago).

    Yes, I took a risk. And yes I have spent a lot of time studying real estate. But would other folks have even had the option? Did I ‘earn’ that half a mil or was it the safety net?

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    You obviously got that by exploiting less fortunate others. Therefore the State should confiscate that house and give it to someone in greater need than you.
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