Trouble in America

How could he shoot if he was unarmed?

please read carefully ! Here's what I said: "the cops fucked up by shooting an armed suspect"
Notice I said "an armed suspect" not unarmed.

So....sarcasm? The link is no good, so I can't get any more context.

Same story, actual link:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/unrest-erupts-man-dies-minneapolis-arrest-attempt-78084243

So we should take the word of "The Authorities" about what happened? Or that there isn't any video?

somehow Jenee thought I said he was unarmed - she probably read my post too fast. Then again if we just disarmed the cops the suspect would be alive and the cops would be dead or wounded which adds up to a big WIN for the ACAB crowd here on wordforge. Cops get paid to take risks, do they not?

But the very best way to achieve "equity" is for the cops to not engage minority suspects under any circumstances, full stop. Sadly I don't have a magic wand.

Similar thing in a parking garage happened last year, IIRC. They released video ASAP and reduced the potential for "unrest." Seems like a good policy in Minneapolis these days. So either they're 1) dumb, 2) made up the story, or 3) don't have the video.

Let's just automatically upload all bodycam footage to a freely accessible public server. Who would object unless they were doing something wrong?

Hey, here's some bodycam video. The original story said "their bodycams ripped off" so does that mean the cops ripped them off of themselves or they got ripped off during the physical struggle?
Regardless don't physically attack cops when you are arrested and you avoid a lot of further legal trouble or avoid getting shot. I don't know why this simple concept is so hard to understand.

Video shows Newark officers getting attacked while making arrest (yahoo.com)
Released video shows cops getting attacked while making arrest, director says (msn.com)
Newark police dispute claims of brutality with newly released bodycam video | PIX11

If you're afraid you're going to be killed you will fight for your life. I don't understand why this simple concept is so hard to understand.

You wouldn't have to be afraid of being killed if you don't fight the police in the first place. I don't understand why this simple concept is so hard to understand.
The more aggressive you get with the cops the greater the odds that bad things might happen. Thousands of people get arrested every...single...day across America without incident but 99 percent of the incidents that do go south are a result of attempting to resist or evade arrest. You'd think some people would figure this out by now. Maybe they need to start teaching this in school, or parents can start teaching it at home.

Nahhhh.....better to just blame the unfair system and have the kids play the victim and find out during their next inevitable arrest. That seems to be working out well for the party of fear and victimhood, AKA the Democratic Party.

Yeah, you also fight if you're an idiot who thinks they can avoid the consequences of your actions by resisting, or an even bigger sort of idiot who believes that ever submitting to any authority is a sign of weakness.

Tell that to Breonna Taylor. Or was she somehow fighting them in her sleep?

After that, try telling it to Atatiana Jefferson, Elijah McClain and Botham Jean.

Lets all play the cherrypicking game.

How many damn cherries do you want?

To be fair, most cherry pickers don't quite understand the concept of percentages, odds, trends, etc. They focus on anomalies, outliers, and slogan ready low hanging fruit.

Comparing your number to how many cherries there are would be a good start.

What's really pathetically sad is that there is indeed a time and place to fight if you think you are being arrested or detained unfairly. It's called the court room and the US has thousands of lawyers who want to make a name for themselves by defending the disenfranchised from being railroaded by the system. I totally support that - suspects don't get shot, cops don't get shot, bystanders don't get shot in the short term. And in the long term bad & bullying cops or dangerous policing procedures get put under the microscope and genuine change might result.

Bottom line you the criminal (or suspected criminal) are responsible for your behavior when you engage the police. Most cops really, really no bullshit really want to go home alive at the end of their shift. Most criminals don't want to go to jail (or return to jail most likely) so they roll the dice and take their chances. Shit happens faster than it can be managed and tragedy needlessly occurs. Families are destroyed and America becomes even more politically divided. It's a complicated dynamic but over 99 percent of the time (do the math)
the problem begins with not cooperating with the cops, full stop. The truth hurts, I know.

Interesting....do you know the names of the cops that have been ambushed & killed so far this year?

Yeah, but doesn't that work both ways?

No. The rule is that law enforcement is held to godlike standards of self-restraint and split-second judgement, while civilians are held to no standard at all.

indeed - that's why there's no such thing as routine pull over. That tail light out might be a Ned Flanders type straight-arrow or it could be a three time violent felon with a trunk full of meth and an itchy trigger finger. Not exactly a recipe for fun or letting your guard down IMHO.

God-like standards and split-second judgment no, but I don't see a problem with holding LEOs to a vastly higher standard than civilians.

I agree that they should be held to a higher standard, but I wouldn't expect anyone to err on the side of them getting killed.

It makes me wonder if it's not past time for some outside the box thinking about how traffic stops are handled. Too many people (on all sides) end up dead coming out of them.

What?!?

Cops kill civilians every day. And due to immunity, most never even get a day off work, let alone prison time. All they have to do is say “I feared for my life”. But, the civilian is supposed to remain calm and do exactly as the trigger happy cop says.

Nor would I. But when the police culture is essentially 'us versus them,' violent confrontations are inevitable. And as ostensible servants of the public, every police department in the US should be working on changing that culture. But the more people protest police actions, the more the cops circle the wagons. And people get killed--civilians and cops alike.

I think the whole issue with body cams is data storage needs. But that said using a public server with unlimited funding for storage and monitoring we could see all police activity in real time. Pump all that data to anybody interested in seeing it to every level.

HOWEVER there is one problem: how do you do this without compromising ongoing missions like complicated and lengthy investigations? One example would be busting major drug trafficking rings that can take months to play out. My point is some law enforcement activities cannot be shown to the general public in real time or even recorded at all.

But for the average cop responding to calls and situations as they occur, it might be something to consider. I don't see why they can't try it out in some medium sized well managed city and see how it plays out. We never know until we try it!

and the media and politicians the fact that there is a constant conflict. Follow the money!