Ah, so she was standing. That must have been Atatiana Jefferson's problem too. Gotta watch out for that.
on the personal level one very effective way to not end up in a Breonna Taylor incident is don't live with drug dealing criminals. Amazingly, living such a lifestyle rarely ends well in the long run both for the criminal and their loved ones.
And as everyone knows, living with the wrong person is a capital offense. As is, uh ... leaving your front door open. Or sitting on your couch eating ice cream.
Was. I've moved over to the Judicial side of the house. In fact, I denied an arrest as illegal, dismissed a case, and released the defendant on no charge, no bond this morning before going to church. I'm sure the Chief of Police will be in my office, madder than a hornet, tomorrow morning at around 0805. That said, there is a time to take the beating and leave the gun in the holster. Case in point, our High School was hosting the County Basketball Tournament. Two teenage females got into a verbal altercation and the officer on site told them to break it up and go outside. They did, but one of the young ladies went to her car and got the can of OC her father had given her and emptied it into the face of the other young lady. The fight was on. The officer who told them to take it outside ran into the fray and tried to break them apart. A group of about 40 by-standers quickly formed and became agitated because, from their viewpoint, they wanted to know why a police officer was fighting two teenage girls and they wanted to know why he had used OC on one, or both of them. As usual, the crowd didn't know the whole story. The officer would have been perfectly within his right to draw his service weapon and order the crowd to move back while he attempted to arrest the initial aggressor. But, he chose to keep his weapon in its holster because had he drawn his weapon and the crowd became more agitated, they could have easily disarmed one officer and used his own weapon against him. So, he chose to take the brunt of the physical assault as he separated the females and a few thrown objects (rocks and bottles) from within the crowd.
If it wouldn't prejudice a potential juror, I'd be all for it. No good cop has anything to hide from a camera. But, there's also that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing where, at least in the State of Alabama, those types of things don't become public record until after adjudication.
...or letting said wrong person use your home address to receive packages suspected of containing illegal drugs, thus being an accomplice, and hence the warrant. That said, no, she did nothing that deserved being shot. It was very unfortunate that she was in the line of fire instigated by her idiot boyfriend shooting a cop in the leg, and the subsequent barrage of panicked return fire by some idiot cops. You might want to familiarize yourself with cases you quote with your biased gotchas.
apples and oranges? No, apples and hair dryers.: are you fucking kidding me? Living with somebody committing crimes ON A DAILY BASIS in a business that is DOMINATED BY VIOLENT FELONS and you actually think this is something a responsible person does? Jesus you are fucking delusional. Ask yourself - would you live with somebody who on any given day could get robbed or killed by other drug dealers or arrested and you along with them for being an accessory and feel like everything is okay in your life? Bull fucking shit.
Wow you are fucking clueless. You don't think that basically living a criminal lifestyle could very possibly result in tragedy at some point whether by accident, negligence or deliberate violence? You are either naive or deliberately sticking to your ACAB narrative like a fly on shit. Perhaps it's a combination of both.
Point of order: Breonna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker at the time of her death -- as far as has been reported -- has no connections tp drugs. Her ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover was apparently involved in the drug trade, and was using her address as his address. In a recorded jail interview, that ex talked about how Breonna was holding his money. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/us/breonna-taylor-police-killing.html None of this means that she deserved what happened to her or that the cops who shot her were any more right or wrong to have done so. But the truth is more nuanced than "she shouldn't have been associating with these people" or "she was a wholly innocent victim of police misconduct" IMO.
People shouldn't just be...existing as Black without recognizing there might be deadly consequences. Duh. #AllLivesMatter Go cops go!
Nobody is assessing what you "deserve" in the heat of the moment. People really need to let go of that stupid fucking talking point. Good person, bad person, it does not matter. You either present a threat or you don't.
Right off the bat I would say that combat vet was in a different unit than I was, and their mission, tactics, and SOP were different than mine. Also the ROE might have been different (they are adapted over time) depending on when/where he served. That said my unit didn't differentiate between "kill shots" and "disabling shots" in our defensive tactics. If we were to take fire or a threat was imminent we would shoot to eliminate the threat. However at a couple of the locations (my unit went to several places that needed aviation/air traffic support) where we had to help pull guard duty you could fire a warning shot in case an innocent civilian was getting too close for comfort. That just made sense because normally truly dangerous bad guys don't "sneak up" they just "show up" and it isn't pretty. But most of the time the bad guys fired mortars at us, and were too far away to engage with small arms fire anyway. Overall that soldier's attitude and experience are quite typical in that very very few soldiers/military members want to shoot anybody and will do everything they can to avoid doing so while keeping their own personal and unit safety in mind. Your mileage may vary.
Don’t be stupid. She had been asleep. She’d been awakened when police forcibly entered her apartment in which one person called and made an unconfirmed accusation. So, how about you give me your name and address and I’ll make a call to the police while you’re taking a nap. I swear to fucking god. Racists will be racists with their dying breath. Either that or Forbin is completely incapable of accepting the fact that black people do not deserve to be shot for being black.
Again, it doesn't significantly change things, but facts are facts. This was not a case where the cops randomly and spontaneously decided to get a warrant for Breonna Taylor's place and a judge just let them. The cops knew that their primary target used Breonna's address as his own. The cops had placed a tracker that showed Glover had gone to Taylor's home six times in the span of a couple months. They also claimed surveillance of Breonna and her car by one of the ex's drug houses. Now admittedly, the cops could be embellishing or making some of this stuff up on the whole. But this was something in the works for months. Which is all the more reason they should have been more careful. And I am every bit as tired of black and brown people being shot by the police as anyone else. But in this particular case, Walker shot at the cops first. The cops would have returned fire if he was white, yellow, purple, or whatever. There's no reason to think the cops shot Breonna because she was black or for being black.
If this had been in the works for months, why were they so quick to shoot? If they knew the guy had been there 6 times, but didn’t live there, then what is the purpose of the home invasion in the first place? The whole thing doesn’t make sense. But, Forbin has a history of justifying cop-killings of black people. Which is why I responded the way I did. When he starts acting like a descent human being, I’ll quit assuming what he types is how he feels.
The investigation had been in the works for months. The decision to shoot-or-not-shoot was a split-second decision based on what the officers encountered -- someone who not only shot at, but actually hit, one of them. The cops believed that there was a tie between Taylor's home and Glover's drug business. They therefore got a warrant to search the place for drugs or money or other evidence connected to the drug business. It seems almost certain that belief was reasonable, even if possibly mistaken. Admittedly, the cops did not find any such evidence. But Breonna did have at least some tie, given that Glover claimed that she had some of his money. (The jail recording of him saying so can be found at the link above.) There's no real reason to suspect Glover of lying or exaggerating when he says that she had thousands of his dollars.
Home invasions and warrants are supposed to be based on the idea that there is some evidence within that home. There is nothing in any report I’ve seen that suggests the officers had any idea that anything was in Taylor’s home other that one anonymous phone call. If you can link to any report about the investigation and why they thought … No, forget it. I don’t care. I only care that, once again, Forbin is attempting to justify police killing an innocent black person. And that is what I was responding to. So, @Raoul the Red Shirt, do you have evidence that shows Forbin defending a black person in a police shooting?
I don't know where you are getting the information about "one anonymous phone call." The link several posts above is to a NYT magazine piece that talks about the search and has the information I've been saying. Neither it nor any of the various articles I have read about the case mentions anything about an anonymous phone call. I don't know what Forbin has said or not said in reference to police killings of black people. I assume that like almost everybody, he agreed that the killing of George Floyd was wrong. But it's not worth my time to defend what Forbin has posted or not when A) he can do that himself if he wants to and b) my main interest was clearing up misinformation.
Well, thank you for clearing up the misinformation I had. I was under the impression that the sole purpose of the invasion was because of an anonymous phone call. Still, I defy any of gunforge to state here that they would not have shot someone entering their home especially after just being awakened from a nap!
And this is the issue, regardless of the other factors, with no-knock warrants. Americans are told they can have guns for home defense - it's a Constitutional Right. If the cops enter without warning, I would bet most gun-owners would open fire... at which point they have apparently handed carte blanche to the cops to execute them.
Well, I'm not part of gunforge even though I own guns. Still, responsible ownership states you have identify your target and know what's past that target in case you miss. I imagine most of the people on here would not open fire without doing that. The fact that there are quite a few people who will though is why it's such a big problem, and that's something gunforge never seems to address.
If someone is in my house in the dead of night and I know it isn't my partner, I don't really think I should be asked to verify their identity. I don't want a gun, nor do I think I need a gun - because there are non-lethal options. But I am not asking questions of the shadowy figure in the doorway to my bedroom before I reach for something sturdy.
And lots of innocent people have been killed that way - often the partners. And it's a common defense in trial for murderers, and is the concept of 'Castle Doctrine' in several states that allows people to literally get away with murder.
I think I qualified the partner bit. Let's code it: If woken_up_by_mystery_intruder = True AND partner_is_next_to_me = True: Grab katana Else: Sleep on OR Go Back to Sleep
