The attack on CRT is just the start

The sign that says "Communists infiltrated our churches now it integrates our schools" there's a piece of tape between the "e" and "g" in "integrates".
That just has to be an "r".
He wrote "intergrates" and someone had to correct him.
He wouldn't re-do the fucking sign, so he used the tape.


Never mind "it" instead of "they".
OR, "communISM" instead of "communiISTs".

Jesus Herbert Christ, they've always been idiots.

So one group influencing in one direction justifies another group influencing it in the other direction? Negative. Education should be the absence of shitty propaganda, not a contest over who's propaganda should prevail. Over-correcting to drag a negative result in to neutral territory is fallacious thinking that has no place in an educational setting.

And then the Germans invaded Poland.
Was this right or wrong?
Who can say?
All points are valid.
Meanwhile, the great depression was going on.
Money just up and broke.
Humans and their agendas had nothing to do with it.
Money just breaks sometimes.
And then some stuff happened, and it was the 50's.
Joe McCarthy got all angry about something, but who can say what it was?
And fast-forward, and it's the 60's, and rock and roll happened.
All by itself, for no reason.
Art just happens.

I think her point was that it’s not just liberals indoctrinating children. Everyone brings their own biases to every human interaction including teachers. I too received an education in which history was taught without white supremacist biases. But that didn’t stop the media, Rush Limbaugh, and others of his ilk from indoctrinating full grown ass adults into believing that race relations have been wonderful until Obama took office. I also wasn’t taught, until college, the effect that history had on every single American whether we realize/acknowledge it or not. And that is why critical race theory is taught. It’s not a required corse. Neither is “Women’s studies”. But that doesn’t stop uneducated genx podcasters from bitching about liberal indoctrination.

Oh, wait, even that's an agenda.
Go fuck yourself with a corn cob.

Oh, I saw the point just fine. Anyone who thinks indoctrination is the purview of educators has no business being an educator.

It’s definitely not. But contrary to popular belief, indoctrination comes more from the right, than the left.

I don't care where it comes from, nobody has the moral high ground to inflict it on a captive audience. And yes, K-12 students are a captive audience. They did not choose to be there, and there is active opposition to the parents even knowing exactly what is being taught.

I agree. But teaching equality and tolerance and real world race relations is not indoctrination. It’s education.

Equality, yes. "Equity," no. And tolerance has no moral value until you define exactly what is being tolerated and how that tolerance is expected to be demonstrated. Tolerance just means you put up with it. It does not mean you support, accommodate or celebrate anything. It just means live and let live.

Wash your hands. Especially after you've had them in your ass.
Why?
You could spread disease.
So?
You or someone else could get sick.
So?
People with weak immunity could die.
So?
That's bad.

(UA smashes into the room like Kool-Aid Man)
UA- I that's a value judgement!!! Indoctrination!!! Brraaaainwaaash!!

You can’t have equality without equity. You will never hear an appraisal of goods saying. “This is an equal comparable”. It’s always an equitable comparable. You’ve seen the pic with three kids trying to watch a baseball game. Each having a box to stand on is equal but not equitable. And THAT us exactly why it SHOULD be taught.

If only "critical race theory" had anything approaching the same objective value as biology.

The number of posts on Facebook and here talking about how useless basic algebra is in people’s daily lives, suggests that it has more value.

Bull fucking shit you can't. "Equity" completely devalues the concepts of individual merit and effort. It insists that you should expect the same minimum quality of results regardless of what you do to achieve it.

I will never, EVER hold to that.

You can be at a disadvantage. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be expected to try, or that those who don't try should receive the same rewards as those who do.

I have no use for people who make no effort.

Effort has nothing to do with equality or equity. It just is. That is why we use word like equitable rather than equality. No one thinks everyone should be exactly the same. That would be equal. Equity takes into account effort.

Equality would be I get a job at your shop and get paid the same as you. Which is ridiculous as you well know I would not be able to do your job. Equitable would be if I got a job at your shop but got paid a lower hourly rate because I can’t do the same work you do.

Wrong. It is irrelevant to equality, but a devalued contributing factor to equity.

No it fucking doesn't. If it did, it would acknowledge the FACT (!!!!) that some people can achieve lesser outcomes and enjoy lesser access, while still not being victims of injustice and deserving no additional compensation.

If you showed up with the same qualifications. Even that requires an unacknowledged degree of merit.

No, "equity" as it is now fashionably presented, would insist that your failure to achieve was due bias against the intrinsic properties you were born with, entitling you to compensatory adjustment to the degree that your take-home was identical to all of your coworkers.

In a school setting I’d view equality as everyone being taught the same curricula and being expected to pass the same tests.

I’d view equity as providing support to students as needed. Say you have a couple kids in the class falling behind because they haven’t mastered English yet. Equity would be tutoring those kids, maybe with an ESOL program or the like, to bring them up to the same level as the rest of the class. Ultimately that type of equity benefits everyone (i.e economically, socially, etc).

NO.

"Equity" would be fudging their test scores so that their academic credentials appeared the same as every other graduate. Or, alternately, "weighting" their college application points such that their test scores in high school counted for substantially less. The "support" you describe still allows for the possibility that they will achieve a lesser outcome or fail outright.

Oh, enough with this two-sides, false equivalency bullshit.

If one group has spent decades teaching kids that the ocean is made of yogurt and that finally starts to change, teachers are not obligated to say "well, it might be water, but a lot of people think it's yogurt, so who can really tell," just to protect the yogurt people's delicate baby feelings.

No, it's fucking water.

Information does not depend on feelings. Information has no agenda, and does not attempt to influence you towards a prescribed affiliation.

I hate to break it to ya, your insistence on robot logic is driven by an emotion.

You must really hate it when you go to the circus and the acrobats have a safety net. Not everyone who fails on the tightrope should get to keep walking or living! No minimum quality of life for circus folk!

I agree. The problem is when one side that's clearly offering up propaganda is able to convince you that previously undisputed neutral facts are now the propaganda of some nebulous "other side" of the debate, when before there was no debate at all.

Think tobacco companies insisting "the science isn't settled" on the link between cigarettes and lung cancer.

Or the oil companies insisting "the science isn't settled" on the link between greenhouse gas emission and climate change.

They're playing you, and you're falling for it because you want to imagine yourself as impartial.

Me voicing opposition to one flavor of propaganda in this moment is not evidence that the purveyors of the opposing propaganda have "played" me. And no, once again, "Not condemning in recent memory" is NOT in any substantial goddamn way the same as agreement, support, or tacit acceptance. That may make it easier for you to categorize everyone in your head, but that doesn't make it in any way factual or compelling .

That you see both "sides" as propaganda or even that you think there are two sides at all means they have indeed played you.

Real propagandists don't necessarily need you to believe their lies so long as you're not willing to accept the truth either.

It's official. Uncle Albert is the new oldfella. I highly recommend just scrolling through his posts full of terrible, uneducated opinions. Replying to them does no one any good.

That isn’t equity. Anyone telling you different is telling you propaganda.

True or false: "Equity" in this context is meant to convey guaranteed equality of outcome to correct for institutional bias.

Dividing society into only the oppressed and the oppressors isnt reality. It's a marketing campaign.
The bullshit that insists you can be racist without being aware or showing any outward sign absolutely IS fucking propaganda. It's conditioning you with the default presumption of guilt to discourage your from objecting to special treatment based on intrinsic qualities.

False. Seriously, you tell me constantly the crap I listen to will rot my brain. This, this … definition, that’s propaganda. That. Is the shit that will tot your brain.