CRT tangent from political meme thread and Cis tangent from Musk thread

Fair enough.

I for one am shocked, SHOCKED @Federal Farmer and @Uncle Albert completely ignored this.
It’s almost like they were never arguing in good faith.

So if a teacher tells the students that Jews were victims of the holocaust what do you think the next question would be?

Does it matter if answering that question leads to them getting fired?

So if a student asks who did this to the Jews, they're just supposed to tell them to look it up or something and if they do tell them, they get fired?

If one of their parents doesn't like the answer, yes. And if the parent doesn't like the library book that has it, the librarian can be charged with exposing a minor to indecent material. Like I said, much worse than the Texas bill.

The German deep state, obviously.

If it is truly that easy to get a teacher fired, then it definitely should be taken out of the bill or rewritten.

Here's the thing though, that type of policy is the point of the bill.

Here's another one that's not as bad; probably largely ineffectual, from Virginia this time: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221 ful HB781

But, of course, it's written by idiots:

It’s not a YouTube video so those who most need to read it won’t but damn if it isn’t on point.

Dude is obviously a pinko-commie-lib so will be dismissed by the usual suspects.


David French (political commentator)

David Austin French (born January 24, 1969) is an American political commentator, theologically conservative traditional Christian, and former attorney who has argued high profile religious liberty cases. A fellow at the National Review Institute and a staff writer for National Review from 2015 to 2019, French currently serves as senior editor of The Dispatch.

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Early life and education

French was born in Opelika, Alabama. His parents were students at nearby Auburn University.

French graduated summa cum laude from Lipscomb University in 1991 with a Bachelor of Arts degree. He then went on to Harvard Law School where he graduated cum laude in 1994 with a Juris Doctor degree.

Career

French has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom, has lectured at Cornell Law School and spent much of his career working on religious-rights issues. He served as president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE). French retired from FIRE in 2005, citing plans to serve in the United States Army Reserve as a judge advocate general officer. A staff writer for National Review from 2015 to 2019, and a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, French has authored several books. In October 2019, he left National Review to work at The Dispatch, a conservative news site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_French_(political_commentator)?wprov=sfti1

Unlike you, I don't dismiss sources out of hand just because of who they are. If they have credible links to back up their claims, then I give them my attention.

Good deal. I look forward to your carefully considered response to the article.

I especially like this part.

Indeed this is true considering they cheer the decline of white people with thunderous applause as you can see here.

Let's continue though.

While I agree that the right wing is coming unhinged, it's kind of ironic that he points out that they are abandoning the Reaganite model, that's debatable, BLM, Antifa, CRT and the anti-racist movement flat out rejects enlightenment thinking and reasoning as well as traditional progress we've made with civil rights. I'm pretty sure they would clash with MLK.
This part.

I can't deny, I recognized in myself, you pointed it out. It freaked me out and I don't like it. That's all I'll say about that.

I don't think they're evil, but I think if certain people got their way, some evil shit would go down.

I can't defend that and that rhetoric. I think it was one of the new South Park specials where a bunch of white guys started chanting, "the juice won't replace us!" While I thought that was funny, that's not my mentality.

Can't defend that either.

Eh, I speak my mind with my friends and if I disagree, which I have, we yell at each other until one of us walks away.

True, I feel that way sometimes.

Food for thought.

What is "enlightenment thinking," for those of us who aren't historians?

Thank you for the considered response.

If you liked the piece or at least found it thought provoking you might like the podcast I heard him on:

https://podcast.thebulwark.com/david-french-bidens-divisive-speech

It’s one of the conservative podcasts I listen to for differing (but intelligent) perspective. As opposed to say Bannon’s War Room which I listen to just for intel.

The ideas brought forth during the enlightenment period. Thomas Paine, John Locke. The Constitution, The Declaration of Independence. Things like that.

Thomas Paine would be a "woke scold" if he dropped his books today.

What’s hysterical is that the founding fathers were considered “woke” in their time and FF doesn’t even get the irony.

I'd go more with "progressives" and liberal, but..

All three. It’s a wonder his head isn’t spinning.

I dunno. While the Founding Fathers said some good things, in practice their ideology was mostly "when we oppress people, we want to keep a bigger share of the spoils."

Yes, but that’s why I put the contingency “for their time”. At that time, anyone other than nobility having large amounts of money was pretty progressive.

I mean, Tom Paine walked the walk, but that's why the big dogs laughed and jeered him out of the clubhouse.

Huh ... apparently he also proposed instituting a UBI. Never knew that.

I wonder how many will teach the full history of the DoI, including the below section of Jefferson’s rough draft.

Why did he write it? Why was it removed? How many folks here have ever read it before and if they haven’t why?

Think any of those discussions will be allowed under all these “anti-CRT” laws @Uncle Albert and @Federal Farmer want forced on teachers.

he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html

Oh and:

YoU CaN’T JuDgE ThE FoUnDiNg fAtHeRs bY ToDaY’S StAnDaRdS. tHeY DiDn’t kNoW SlAvErY WaS WrOnG BaCk tHeN.

Not to mention that while Jefferson was writing the above he was also raping his half-aunt (that he owned).

Think they’ll teach that?