CRT tangent from political meme thread and Cis tangent from Musk thread

See post 531.

So I took the time to watch the Stossel video that I posted and then decided to see if I could find the books shown in that video. I found them and then I remembered this post. Here's Kindi's own words.

https://offices.depaul.edu/diversit...gImages/Pages/default/Kendi's Main Points.pdf
You know who endorses this book? the New York Times.
Next Book in the video. "Not My Idea." Here's the whole book.

You know who endorses this book? A writer for The New York Times.
Next up, "Woke Baby."

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250308986
Nope, no indoctrination going on here, no way.
"A is for Activist"

https://aisforactivist.org/childrens_books_for_the_99/a-is-for-activist/
No indoctrination here either.
Oh and then there's the reviews, but the best part is at the end.

Tom Fucking Morello reading A is for Activist FFS. Come on dude, you can't tell me this isn't left wing propaganda. You guys are ridiculous.

Are those books required in k-12 classrooms?

No?

Sit your ass down and shut the fuck up.

Read between the fucking lines.

His words are in print too, I would suggest actually reading the thread. Do you deny that the bill's author said that?

Since you're a distinguished legal scholar, given your wealth of knowledge about CRT, I'm sure that you are fully aware that when courts interpret statutes, they also look to the legislative intent behind the statute, including statements by the author, in legislative sessions, at amendments to the bill, etc.

Meanwhile, while UA is arguing that the bill doesn't do it, here's what the bills author had to say today.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/11/us/indiana-state-senator-apology-nazism-fascism/index.html

So here's the thing. I can't help but think that if this was a state in the south in the 1950s or 1960s, proposed by a liberal representative, a bill with most of this text would be welcomed by liberals and excoriated by conservatives. "Of course we don't mean that teachers shouldn't have an opinion about communism, this is about American political affiliations." "We don't want some backwards teacher playing Birth of a Nation on the classroom projector, so of course we want parents to be able to review curriculum materials to make sure they're not doing that." "We need to be able to force the bigoted school board to act when we know they never will otherwise."

I agree, the bill's primary proponent seems like an utter twat. But the text of (this part) of the bill itself is not particularly illiberal. It could be more complete (eg, including "ongoing" in addition to historical injustices), and it definitely has loopholes big enough to let teachers be "impartial" on modern Nazis. But overall, like the similar bill in Texas, the anti-"CRT" parts of the bill seem just... not that bad.*

Now, there's other parts that are far less defensible. The exclusion of school and public libraries from the defenses to presenting information that could corrupt a minor is abhorrent. It's an attack on libraries and the freedom to seek out knowledge. It's every bit as illiberal as its opponents claim

*Never mind. The exception for teaching about historical injustices that UA has repeatedly quoted is only applicable to teacher training, not for teaching students. The version for students only talks about injustices committed "against" a group, not "by or against" a group. So textually, teachers can tell teachers-in-training that the Nazis perpetrated the Holocaust, but teachers can tell students only that Jews etc. were victims in the Holocaust. This is considerably worse than the Texas bill. Devil's in the details. Still, I think the majority of the proposed changes just aren't that bad, but there are a few key sections that make it very approximately as bad as its opponents say.

Hey, we have that book!

Hey, we have two of those books too!

Also, I haven't read "How to be..." yet, only "Stamped...", but can you point out what points on that summary you have an issue with? I would really like to understand where our interpretations of the same words diverge.

Ar we doing this right? Race, gender identity, sexual orientation, neurodiversity, etc.

I'm still trying to figure out what's so propaganda-y about Tom Morello reading a fucking kids book?

Don’t play dumb.

no... seriously?
where's the line between propaganda and clever marketing here?

and how is it propaganda to be using this as a teaching tool for your own pre-schoolers?

I mean, it's not like we're talking about Paw Patrol or something likewise questionable.

That said, I'm looking at a few of the pages and would tend to agree that it's not a particularly well written book of the type it aspires to be.

I agree that it's not very well written. It's a cute board book, which implies toddler, but the concepts are more advanced. It also doesn't rhyme, which makes it harder to remember. I imagine it's more a cute book to have on your shelf rather than one your kids will want to read a lot. YMMV.

totally... like, I'd try it out when we read to the kids (4 and 7) before bedtime to see if they liked anything about it. Just don't think it'd get the same amount of mileage as "Harry the Dirty Dog".

If you want to teach your kids ethics, I'd suggest Star Trek: Prodigy instead. As for books, I'd suggest the Rush Revere book series.

And this is why you would fail as a parent.

"Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims"? Yeah, nope... We're pretty much a decolonize/reconciliation family.

4 year old just discovered Boss Baby. It's literally the only thing you can get him to focus on for over an hour. Fucked up thing is that he isn't interested in any of the spin offs? Even animated kids' trek is still a year away... :/

To be 100% clear, I wouldn't seriously recommend Rush's books, their probably filled with jingoistic BS.

I don't wish to be a parent for several reasons.

My youngest didn't get into any Trek until he was about 8 - not enough action, too much ethical dilemmas.

4 year olds don't yet understand nuance. They know "this is right" and "this is wrong". It won't be until much later - 7 or 8 - until they can start thinking in the abstract - should Dal have stolen the ship? It's not his. But, he was kidnapped and that was his only escape. Don't know who Rush Revere is, but most humans don't really start to understand the full nuance of ethics until their brain is fully developed around 25 years of age.

on the plus side, he's insane over solar system models and pictures. His dad is also a sci fi guy, so between the pair of us we'll learn him

Have you seen the board books that purport to introduce your baby to quantum mechanics or literary classics?

It's lifestyle/identity marketing aimed at the parents.

It hardly matters. In FF's mind, indoctrination is only happening or bad if it's a liberal idea. Other than that, it's the parent's decision.

I love how FF and UA are paranoid of "woke agenda!!" when...what they call "woke" has been around, and is probably responsible for them having any goodness in them at all.
Sesame Street? Mr Rogers?
Woke.
Superheroes?
Woke.
Star Trek TOS? Hella woke.
GI Joe, He-Man?
Okay, Reagan legalized making shows toy commercials, but liberals put the "now you know, GI Joe!" and the He-Man talking to the audience about the moral lesson segment.
That's hella woke.

If it were up to conservatives, you don't get conservative versions of that stuff, you just don't get it period.
The conservative answer is 4 year olds forced to read The Wall Street Journal.
That's not even a cute exaggeration.
That's the world the puppet-masters who conceived of the words "woke agenda" are after.
They don't want conservative superheroes and rock n' roll, they want it GONE.
They want you starved of all art and entertainment, because they want you working 24/7 pissing and shitting on the factory line.
There isn't a fucking "culture war" because one side doesn't even have a culture to offer you
This is the scam FF and UA are falling for.
It's not a theory out of my head, they've fucking done it before.
The red scare in Hollywood, the attack on comic books and rock music, etc, etc.
All these moral panics want to ban culture outright, not fix it.
"Woke!" and "CRT!" is just the latest mask.
Ain't no fucking "liberty" behind it.
But FF and UA are totally buying somehow that minorities having creative/historic voices equals them in chains somehow.
And I could see if the people behind it were geniuses, but the arguments are so fucking BAD.
It's so obvious and dumb.
You don't need magic glasses or a secret decoder, it's right fucking there.

I didn't mean to rant so long, but goddamn, it's so infuriating.

GI Joe and He-Man might have had "moral messages", but they were anathema to European libs, as both were pretty fucking obvious ra-ra-USA might-makes-right crap.

If He-Man had an ep that showed he was right not because he could punch harder, but because his values were stronger, that'd be "woke".