They're Real

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  1. Tuckerfan

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  2. Steal Your Face

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    Christopher Mellon says aliens are the likeliest explanation for the tic-tac crafts.
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    Chaos Descending 14th Level Human Cleric

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    Which is a dumb take, TBH.
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  4. Steal Your Face

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    Why is it dumb?
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    Because "it's aliens" is not even remotely the "likeliest" explanation. In fact, if there were only 10 possible explanations, "it's aliens" would be about the 150th on the list.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    What if it's Tic-Tacs doing a publicity stunt?
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    M&Ms maybe. Tic-Tacs don't get around much.
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  8. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Absolutely. Many other explanations are much more likely:

    1. It's deliberate disinformation.
    2. It's our own (U.S.) technology.
    3. It's some private firm field-testing new tech.
    4. It's foreign technology.
    5. It's a hoax.
    6. It's some sensor anomaly.
    7. It's some not-yet-understood natural phenomenon.
    8. It's a misinterpretation of what's going on and not really anything extraordinary.

    Aliens are indeed way down the list.
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  9. Tuckerfan

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  10. Steal Your Face

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    I'm pretty sure Mellon ruled all other scenarios already. Also, that doesn't explain sightings that predate things like the U-2 plane or the SR71.
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    Obvious bullshit, you're not helping.
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    Help what? Prove that UFOs are space aliens? They’re not.

    And even if they were, fuck those guys. They stood around and watched a global pandemic sicken and kill millions of people, while doing nothing to help. There’s a significant chance that a major war will break out in Europe soon, and they do nothing. Not to mention all the other atrocities happening on this planet that they can’t be bothered to lift a finger over. Fuck ‘em.
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  13. Steal Your Face

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    What makes them obligated to help us? Also, what makes you so sure they're not aliens?
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Compassion. What do you do if you see a stranger drowning? Do you ask yourself if you're obligated to try and save them? Or do you immediately try to save them? Humans willingly risk their lives to save not only other humans, but also animals, not because they think that they'll get some kind of monetary reward, or that the living being they're trying to save deserves it, but because it's the compassionate thing to do.
    Partly because I've read Unconventional Flying Objects, partly because I've studied not only anthropology but also how anthropologists work in the field (they actually do take steps to help a culture they're studying, even though this would be defying the Trek version of the Prime Directive). Mostly, however, its because I understand technology, and I know that any beings capable of traveling even the mere 4 lightyears between us and the next closest star would be able to so utterly hide themselves from our view that we would never know they were here.

    And accounts of abductions by "strange beings" go back countless millennia. Yet the space aliens have never revealed themselves to the whole of humanity, despite the fact that people have been claiming we've been on the cusp of them doing so for longer than I've been alive. Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation that fits all the facts is most likely to be the correct one. So far, that's never been aliens. Perhaps one day it will be, but that time is not now, and nobody on Earth knows when that will be.

    Finally, there's this:
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  16. Paladin

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    It isn't aliens.

    The fact I keep going back to is that these recent episodes involve separate encounters with the U.S. Navy.

    If the Navy is encountering these things, it's because whatever controls these things wants that to happen.

    Or should we believe these are chance encounters in the enormity of the ocean? Or that sophisticated vehicles somehow bumble into aircraft or ships?

    These encounters (assuming they're even real incidents) are by design.
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    Lots of assumptions in that post.
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    So, if you saw someone drowning you wouldn't try to save them. Nice to know.
  19. Steal Your Face

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    How does that eliminate aliens?
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    Another assumption.
  21. Tuckerfan

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    We know that US intelligence agencies attempt to spy on our close allies (as they do us), not because we think that they're hiding something important from us, but to test our methods. After all, if the British capture one of our spies (or we capture one of theirs), we're not going to execute them. The spy will get a nice pat on the head and be told to do a better job next time. There's a number of countries where they wouldn't be so lucky.

    A good way for us to test our newest drones would be to surprise members of our military with them. It's a nice way to ensure that we can control the narrative. I remember watching some special about UFOs in the late 80s (I think it was the one Mike Farrell hosted), where they had some Aeroflot pilots describing that they witnessed a UFO on a flight. One of the experts on the show pointed out that US spysats had observed that the Soviets were doing a missile test not far from where the pilots were when they saw the UFO, and that odds were, the Soviets were promoting the UFO story to coverup the fact that they were doing a test. (The Soviets claimed that no such test occurred, but they almost always denied such things back then.)
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  22. Tuckerfan

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    Is it? I notice that you won't spit out the specifics of what you think are assumptions. Your reason for doing this is obvious: You don't want to get caught with your ass hanging out and being stupid again. So you just make a broad statement because that's safer than engaging in a discussion where you might have to admit that you were wrong. Because you'd rather believe than know.
  23. Steal Your Face

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    Another assumption.
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    It doesn't.

    It doesn't eliminate time-travelling Ancient Egyptians or the ghost of Theodore Roosevelt, either.

    But there's NO evidence of these things, so we should stick to explanations that don't require them.
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    Assuming the reports are genuine...

    And assuming they actually reflect some advanced technology...

    I think the most likely scenario is that the Navy or some activity associated with the Navy is arranging these encounters in order to gauge our adversaries' responses to these vehicles by looking at our own.

    And it can be done without the risk of revealing the technology to the adversary, or putting the technology at risk of capture.
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    Nah, because if you had any real interest in understanding the subject, you’d engage me on the subject instead of running away. You don’t even have enough confidence in your beliefs to think that you can prove me wrong, that’s how shallow they are.
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    Keep it up, chief.
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    Nah, I think I'll just revisit some of your comments in this thread. Like this one:
    I've pointed out before that we know that there's no planets in that system, and that if there were, they'd be deficient in a lot of metals. Meaning, of course, that it'd be hard for them to develop advanced technology. Put a pin in the particular star system you mentioned, however.

    As for you only listening to Rogan for his guests, well, this post of yours makes it sound like you're convinced because Rogan's convinced, not because of anything Ackroyd said.
    Remember I said to put a pin in the particular star system you mentioned? Here's why I said that:
    That's a different star system, and you make the claim that we've been helped by aliens. Aliens who can't seem to be bothered to end the fucking plague, stop war from breaking out in Europe, or any of the other atrocities going on now.

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    I'm not altering my behavior, the default setting is 'there is no strong evidence of alien encounter.' But I'm also going to keep an open mind.

    A couple of things are pretty sure - there is almost certainly life out in the universe, and considering the age of our solar system is relatively young some of it could have developed billions of years before ours did.

    The overwhelmingly likely answer to these incidents is some terrestrial phenomenon.

    But our own actions might have attracted others with sensors in our area. Our radio waves have gone out hundreds of light years, we've launched space going vessels, our first probe has exited the solar system, and we've developed the ability to destroy worlds.

    If there was an alien intelligence out there more advanced than our own they'd have to be fools not to see what those things could mean.