Roe v. Wade

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  1. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Nice job rebutting the claim I didn't make.

    But we view rights differently than you do. Rights aren't privileges politicians can dispense, withhold, or re-negotiate; they're prior to government.
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    So, they're all made up by an imaginary being?

    That's awfully shaky ground to be placing your precious right to guns on, isn't it?

    What are they based on if not government or God?

    Might makes right?

    That also sounds like shaky ground to be placing your precious right to guns on, since governments have WMDs.
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  3. Uncle Albert

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    They are the boundaries established by the rights of others to be free of harm from external sources, within which you are free to do as you please.
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    Ah, so rights established by other rights?

    Where did those rights come from?

    Is it turtles all the way down?

    Or are you falling back on God, gub'mint or might?
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    If jeyes was so bad they might have run someone who was actually progressive and not just a token.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Yeah, but her emails… :shrug:
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  11. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    All this is doing is reverting things back to the states, it’s exactly what the tenth amendment is for, the people to decide what they want instead of legislation from the bench.
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  12. tafkats

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    That's fine for stuff like whether or not to have a sales tax, or even whether you can smoke pot. Fundamental human rights, not so much.
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  13. Damar

    Damar Liberal Elitist

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    This is another major headache for the dwindling business wing of the Republican Party. The party continues its rapid progression towards openly anti-capitalistic practices.
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  14. Nyx

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    Agreed. Lincoln's "a house divided against itself cannot stand" doubly applies to this whole situation.
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    If you really think about it a human life creates commerce. It is a hell of a lot more than the profit from an abortion. even if that life breaks a lot of things you get a lot more out of it when you are on the top of the state feeding off of the activity.
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    All banning abortion does is put the profits into the hands of the criminal element. If christian fascism is the law you can call me a criminal along with jesus.
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  17. Jenee

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    You’re so full of shit that it’s a wonder anyone on this board ever took you seriously. If you truly believed that shit you just spewed, you would be adamantly against EVERY thing the GOP has been doing for at least 20 years. You don’t believe that. You only believe what someone has convinced you to believe.
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  18. Nyx

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    Yep. Outright banning rarely solves anything, and only opens up less than safe avenues for people to get what they want or need. Of course, these shitwagons don't care if women die while getting an abortion. That's the whole point. The cruelty is the point. The control is the point.
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  19. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Really because it was a state by state effort to secure LGBTQ rights in the first place. I personally voted in the state of Maryland to change the state constitution to allow for gay marriage. Other states allow for abortion. It's sad that you don't trust our system of governance.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    You use this word we, but given your support for politicians who explicitly want to remove peoples rights I don't think you know what that means.
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  21. Nyx

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    Change can come via states rejecting a federal mandate, but when it comes to rights being varied state to state, you get a little over four dozen fiefdoms, and that's just a recipe for disaster. To look at Lincoln, as I mentioned before, you cannot have a country that is half slave and half free. In modern terms, you can't have a country that is half modern 21st century, and half Gilead. There will inevitably come a civil war. It's happened before, it happens in other countries, it will happen here again if we start to balkanize.
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  22. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    When you have a system of government that is trying to make the morning after pill illegal because it makes baby Jesus cry you can damn well bet people won't trust it.
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  23. Nyx

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    Plus, it's not like it will stop the people in power. Politicians, celebrities, movers and shakers with more money than god will still get access to what they want, it will just be restricted for the rest of us, the hoi polloi, the ones at the bottom who are the first to be exploited and the last to be recompensed (if ever) by such a system.
  24. Rincewiend

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    Hm, so the GOP wants to make separation of church and government a state issue so the red states can create laws based on their interpretation of the Bible...
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  26. TheLonelySquire

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    Don't you fucking understand? States and their residents don't know what's best for them. What kind of sense does that make?
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    Please show me where in the Constitution it gives women the right to an abortion. I'll wait.
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    Please show us where in the Bible it says abortion is murder or that embryos are human beings. We'll wait.
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    Please show me where in the Constitution it gives you the right to breath. Fucking die and take the rest of your kind with you.
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  30. Spaceturkey

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    naturally occurring abortifacients had existed for centuries at the time of the USC's writing, including those of indigenous north americans, notably without theological encumbrances.

    the tenth would suggest that reproduction is a personal issue the choice which is that of the individual, not the state.
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