Progressive messaging in media.

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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    And whether it's an evil conspiracy people have to shit their pants about.

    It keeps ruining every fucking MC thread, so let's have the fight here.

    (Bill Burr voice)
    You wanna have the fucking fight!? Let's have the fight!!!
    :rant:
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Star Trek's always been progressive, fuck you on that one.
    Marvel's always been progressive, fuck you on that one.

    Let's just get those out of the way.
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  3. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    So, if I were a Nazi, and I wanted to get millions of little idiot minions to do my bidding, but I couldn't come out and say "join me in the dark side!! Be Nazi!! :diablo:" on a public platform, what would I do? Well, I'd have to whip people up with some Nazi-adjacent bullshit that sells better.
    So, the conspiracy I'd come up with, is that "politics" is "invading" nerd media and nerd spaces.
    I'd be vague about labeling what "politics" is, but the targets I'd whine about would make it obvious.
    To people who use critical thinking anyway; to dummies, they're just screwed.
    Dummies love conspiracy theories.
    Dummies have always loved conspiracy theories.
    So, you get a bunch of dummies mad about a fake conspiracy to ruin nerd media with politics, and you get them to troll very comments section and message board they can get their sticky little hands on, and it's just as good as if you had genuine true-believer Nazi converts doing your bidding.
    You don't need the ideological conversion, you just need the results.

    I mean, if I want a store burnt down in the name of anarchism, but I convince a mob to burn it down in the name of Jesus, well, the store is just as burned down, isn't it?

    And the Jesus freaks that did the burning?
    You're never going to convince them that they actually did the burning in the name of anarchism, and that they're stupid dupes, because finding out they're stupid dupes would make them feel bad.
    So, rather than have hurt feelings, they're gonna double down on licking the anarchists' boots.
    Y'know, to "show you".
    And to really show you, they'll commit some more arsons for him.

    There's really no word combination you can assemble to dislodge this.
    Once people have self-justified that first crime in the name of fear, they're gone.
    That "oh my God what have I done? :drama:" moment only comes in movies.

    "But Dicky, we're not talking arson, we're talking whining about media!".

    It always starts as talk.
    Qanon started as talk, and look where that's gone.

    Qanoners don't think they're fascist.
    They think they're good guys fighting bad guys.
    And you can't rip that fantasy out of their heads.
    Because their vanity is worth more than the lives lost.
    Ditto anti-vax. Especially anti-vax.

    So, where do I think this "ohhh, the wokies! The wokies! :drama:" shit is going?
    Well, it's not going to a GOOD place.
    It's not gonna bring about rainbows and kittens. Does it fucking ever?
    Where can it go, but some bad place?
    We're not talking normal criticism here, this isn't Siskel & Ebert, these people are literally screaming their guts out, and getting people all pants-pissy.
    Normal dumb people can't handle that energy.
    It has to go somewhere.
    And manipulators know this.

    Anti-feminism has Elliot Rodger.
    There's going to be an anti-media Elliot Rodger.
    That's what these Nazis want.

    "But dicky, isn't this a conspiracy theory?".
    Conspiracies are complicated.
    This isn't complicated.
    This is crowd psychology 101.
    This is the basics.
    It's a repeating pattern of history, and human movements.
    This is always what goes down.

    No, I don't think the anti-media Rodger is gonna be a WFer.
    Our gaggle of idiots are cowards, thankfully.

    But, when it happens, I bet one of our idiots will have six-degrees of Kevin Bacon with the guy.
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  4. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    There is an evil conspiracy in media.

    It's the fact that so many of the people who own the media want more control of the government and fewer taxes and are pretty OK with the fascist shit that's coming down the pike.

    You know, for taxes.
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    Oh boo fucking hoo. People have opinions you don't like in your media threads. Cry me a goddamn river.
    :weep:
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    If Hollywood is your benchmark as to what "progressive" means, then you have my pity. Privileged hypocrites.
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  7. Diacanu

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    Train me in your mastery, oh wise one.
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    This tactic is aided by the fact that so many lazy observers are willing to go along with a narrative wherein anything that goes against the existing order is defined as "political," but anything that reinforces it is not.
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    There are many different forms of media.

    Are you talking news? hollywood? facebook/twitter?

    If facebook and twitter seem to have a liberal biased slant, guess what, more people on those platforms are liberal.

    If hollywood puts out movies and tv shows that have a liberal slant, then they think most people are liberal and putting out movies and tv shows with a liberal slant will generate more money for them.

    If the news has a liberal slant, then you aren't getting news, you're getting editorials or analysis of news. That's on the reader. Check your sources.
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    The protagonists of Final Fantasy 7 are a group of violent eco-terrorists trying to stop a powerful energy company from bleeding the planet dry for short term profit. But decades later when one of the female characters in the remake was redesigned to have smaller boobs, suddenly the series became "woke." :chris:
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    Oh, yeah. Anita up there can tell you all about how we shouldn't be allowed to enjoy boobs in video games.
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  12. Diacanu

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    I saw a thing about how M&M's did the character re-design as a cynical PR ploy to distract people from that Hershey's uses chocolate harvested by child slave labor, and that Tucker Carlson's outrage about the un-sexy green M&M was aiding in that coverup, and us laughing at Tucker also aided that coverup.

    Gotta wonder if there's some shady shit going on with Square.
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    A lot of that comes from the political space where the viewers reside.

    I know lots of conservatives who decry PBS NewsHour as being horribly "liberal" because it's on PBS. I've watched that program for years, though, and they pretty much play it straight down the middle. Very balanced and objective, especially compared to many of their counterparts.

    The people who complain about the newscast are so far to the right that something as balanced as NewsHour comes across as "liberal!!! :mad:".

    And I'm not talking Trumptards. This goes back years, before he was ever a political thing.
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  14. Diacanu

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    There's always Leisure Suit Larry.
    :shrug:
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    Remember when Nova tried to tell us that Fox News was part of the “liberal media?”
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    The chuds crying about wokeness thought the girl on the left was evil SJW censorship, as though the original wasn't blocky and cartoonish in the first place.
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  17. Diacanu

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    *Checks watch*
    Yeah, that's long enough.

    No one's stepped up to defend this "anti-woke" crap as benign, and harmless, and lovely, and helpful to the world in any way.

    It can't be done. They've burnt too many keyboard and vocal chord calories on nasty rage-ahol to make that narrative fly.

    All they can do is play "no, YOU'RE the doodie head!".
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  19. Diacanu

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    Points off for not mentioning UA's Jeep.
    :bailey:
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    Good lord, THAT got them up in arms?

    But she's still slim. And wearing a short skirt. And thigh-high stockings. And a crop top.

    Imagine the gnashing of teeth if she'd gained 20 pounds or put on a sweatshirt.
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  21. Nova

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    Actually no. That person argued that FNC was an ordinary fair down the middle news outfit that only SEEMED right wing to those viewing from the left.

    In fact, it's the other way round. None of the major media outlets are seriously progressive overall, and really only MSNBC's evening opinion shows are left of center at all. CNN has been center-right for some time (at least since Zucker took over) and is not actively working to move deliberately to the right

    But that dude was wrong about a lot of things. You should forget all of it.
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  22. Diacanu

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    Fuck off and die.
    :)
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    And yet the very bare minimal efforts of diversity is enough to send CHUDs into a frothing, blithering rage when Ariel is turned black and She-Ra and Catra are not only redesigned in ways that don't give men boners, but are also gay for one another :lol:
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    :rotfl:

    I accept your surrender.

    And Brie Larson's.

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    If the only effort is towards "diversity," the production likely fails because some or all of the other elements of the production were neglected. I don't know why people persist in this bullshit narrative that diversity is a shield against criticism, and that a "diverse" show is only criticized and/or rejected on the basis of its "diversity."

    It is not an end unto itself. You still have to make a show that doesn't suck. Hit some dumb shit rep button if you cannot refute.
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  26. Diacanu

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    Go fuck yourself.
    With sandpaper.
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    If I did, you would fucking lie about that, too, you sad little fraud. Subtract the fiction and you are a dusty cicada shell.
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  28. Diacanu

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    May a spontaneous baby wormhole open in your throat, and make you drink all the cum in the universe.
    Then, may the wormhole drift to your asshole, so you re-eat all the cum-shit.
    May this happen 7 times.
    :)
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    Poor little butthurt idle critic can't handle the decline of "everyone who doesn't like what I like is a bigot" as a valid defense.
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  30. Diacanu

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    Is Fashy media coming into fashion?
    Did Pureflix take over Hollywood, and I missed it?
    *Checks*
    Nope, they still stuck, and are still festering in their little corner.
    :shrug:
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