Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

Nice group of people laughing because they're so comfortable and sheltered from consequences, that this is just a game.

Well, you unfortunately are

Have you been to Israel? I went to Tel Aviv about 8 years ago, I would not call what I saw a white state. These ain't New York jewish folk we're talking about here

I was very much against invading Iraq

My life is negatively affected. My Jewish friends have family in Israel and a food broker who I 've had a close business relationship with for 12 years lives in Tel Aviv. I'm terribly worried about their safety

I have three Palestinian friends who are dead. Several more comrades who I haven't heard from in over a week. I sure hope your business relationship survives.

I'm sorry to hear that

Me as well

We're laughing at you, you tiresome self-righteous drama queen, because you're such a tiresome self-righteous drama queen.

And it is just a game, insomuch that you're LARPing as an important political activist online. Your signature here means something! Your avatar is important! Christ.

Serious question: Does anyone dispute the premise that Hamas needs to be eliminated if there's ever going to be peace between Gaza and Israel?

Follow-up: If you agree Hamas needs to go, do you have a suggestion for how to get rid of them that doesn't involve military force?

I'm not LARPing as anything. You have built that up yourself. You're knocking down strawmen that you created.

Hamas does need to go. Hamas is evil. But Gaza needs to go, too, because it's not a tenable situation and people shouldn't have to live like the Gazans do.

The Israelis and the Palestinians need to learn how to share the land and resolve their differences without violence. It's a pipe dream, I know, but still.

As for the flooding of the tunnels I would give Isreal credit for taking a specific anti-hamas action over anti-palestinian action. To target the terrorist tunnels with water is not particularly dangerous to the people of palestine. The salt water is not going to poison gaza land much more than it does coming from the beach.

The problem I have with it is that at this point you have driven a large portion of palestinians into underground shelters because of the bombing, and that probably includes any medical operations because you have blown up the hospitals and any place to harbor the sick, injured, and displaced. So you have driven everyone underground, and now you are going to flood everyone, and Isreal will shoot everyone who runs out of the holes with bullets and other armaments. They are going to say everyone in the tunnels is a hamas terrorist, and at this point you cannot say that because you have destroyed everything above ground.

Had they done this before they bombed the fuck out of Gaza i would have been all for it because that would have been when you could make the case everyone in the tunnels was a terrorist. Now you can't because underground is where you go when you are getting bombed.

So tyhe idea to flood the tunnels is an inhumane extermination of everyone based on a p-lan to drive everyone underground.

This is genocidal in the way that Isreal has done it. This is how you exterminate animals who go underground for protection. Have you guys seen watership down? This is how you kill a rabit warren. This is how you kill underground rats. This is how Bill Murray tried to kill that fucking gopher. This is how you exterminate an underground wasps nest. You can make some really interesting art and kill off a fire ant hill by pouring molten aluminum down an anthole.

This is an extermination tactic, and since you have made an effort to drive everyone underground it is to extinguish everyone's life. Hitler would have done this if he could have.

Thank you.

Eh.... One minute people are talking about how Gaza is one big prison, it's a nightmare, the population is crammed in... Then the next minute they'll tell you that trying to move the Gazans elsewhere is genocide and ethnic cleansing and genocide.

I mean... It's like I asked Amaris. How many bombs did the IDF drop on Gaza on October 6th? And it appears Gaza wasn't always blockaded like it is now, that was a direct response to violence perpetrated by people based in Gaza.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

To stretch that prison analogy a bit, bad behavior results in your jailers imposing more restrictions, and good behavior results in fewer restrictions. That carrot and stick approach seemed to be working, until it turned out Hamas was quietly planning a massive attack.

Hey, whatever makes you feel important, buddy.

Point of order: Hamas is on record as saying their tunnels are absolutely not for the people of Gaza, they're for use by Hamas and only Hamas.

And I know that sounds slightly unfair, but that's part of living next to a far more powerful country. You think the USA doesn't piss off Canada all the time? Of course it does. But Canada knows we can't just conquer the US without disrupting the NHL schedule for at least a few weeks, so we play nice and stick to diplomacy instead of bloodshed. Gazans need to accept a similar reality.

Here is another fun zionist trying to tell everyone how the acceptance of other minorities has strings for zionists. If a zionist is nice to you, it is only so they can use you to fight their battles.

Julianna Margulies told the black community they had to support Isreal in anything Isreal does because she supported racial rights. So this bitch who was born in 1966 was marching for civil rights. I don't think so. Maybe she marched later, but she certainly was not wandering down to march with MLK when she was a toddler.

Oh but lying cuntrag gets worse. This liar plays a lesbian on tv, so in a media interview she said as a lesbian she is offended at the GLBT community for not backing Isreali genocide. This horrible twatwaffle is married to a man and is not a lesbian.

Some of you jews have really got to take some of your people aside and tell them to STFU. First off, support for other people's rights is not contingent of them backing you in rape, torture, and murder. I do not care if this bitch was there, it does not make right what the IDF and Isreal have done.

But bitch is sorry that the statements she made offended people. Not that she made ther statements, but that people were butthurt by them.

I had no idea who this bitch was before, but she can go fuck herself now. JFC, let us say hitler loved the GLBT or black people, would that have made the killing of jews OK?

It is truly shameful for the jewish community that they have a ton of people who are as fucked in the head as the worst trumpanzee cult members. I feel bad that over this Hannukah season you will have to be dealing with such horribly racist and prejudiced people telling you all how horrible you are for not being a good jew and supporting the atrocities of Isreal.

I get that, but a few problems.

1. the Isrealis are not going to bother between bomb shelters and Hamas tunnels.

2. I am sure by this time there are palestinians down there because the choice is on the street where the bombs are falling and in the tunnel. Really, there is no choice but to say you are hammas or die so you can get into the tunnels. That does not mean you have killed any Isrealis or plotted against them, that just means you sought shelter.

3. The Isrealis are going to shoot everyone who runs out from underground and claim they are terrorists. This is what they do every single fucking time. They never discern between a palestinian and hamas because the IDF is there to kill them all.

Hold your technicalities for someone who believes you are not a supporter of genocide of palestinians.

This is just another example of antisemetism.

For the Christians, antisemetism meant that even though Christ was a Jew, Romans weren't responsible for Christ's death despite the fact that they executed him, Jews were. This led to blood libel, Jews were inhuman and required blood sacrifice.

For the fascists, antisemetism meant the Jews were the communists. Yes, there were communist jews, but the Jews as a people, they were the 'stab in the back' and they deserved to die as a people.

For the communists, antisemetism meant that the Jews were the capitalists. They made the money and were wealthy, hording it from decent people, and they need to be purged and thus pogroms were the order of the day.

For the Islamists, antisemetism meant Jews were Dhimmi, they had to be humiliated to pay the Jizya for their non-belief, and they were scorned for being less than, and forbidden to ride horses or look at eye level to their betters, the Muslim conquerers.

Now the evil of the day is 'white imperialism' and 'colonialism'. And the socialists and Muslims have adopted the useful fiction that the multi-ethnic Jews of Israel are white imperialists and colonizers, and thus they can be destroyed without remorse.

And because the Jews were attacked yet again, and responded, they feel their antisemetism is justified as the 'global intifada' and attacks are happening all across the world, even when Jews have nothing to do with Israel.

first off, the technical definition of anti-semite is being against someone who speaks a semetic language. So if you do not speak a semetic language like arabic or hebrew you are not a semite. A large number of people who dislike jews or arabic people are really nopt aware that they speak those languages. The CHUD in Alabama has no idea a jewish person who is practicing was taught hebrew. That is not why they hate them at all. So you are using the wrong fucking word.

Now you are trying to pretend that anti-jewish prejudice is about the Isreali zionists being colonizers? Shut the fuck up with that bullshit. Most of your jews are not colonizers at all. Isrealis are colonizers, jews are not. Not all jews are Isrealis despite your bullshit attempts to pretend every jew in the world is an Isreali.

That is a really piss poor attempt to make anyone who dislikes the holy shit racism of the IDF and a lot of Isrealis as hating jews, and that is a lie.

You are being intellectually dishonest. Most people who criticize Isreal for being colonizers of Palestine do not actually want Isreal to be gone. You are putting arguments into their mouths because you cannot in good faith defend the actions of Isreal to genocide the palestinian people.

Dont tell everyone else what you wish they were saying so you can nail yourself to a cross like a christian. You deny jesus was the son of god so do not go martyring yourselves like him.

Free palestine does not mean kill all jews. You are a liar who cannot argue the point.

Oh, and to @Dr. Krieg I would like you to notice that your jewish friend @Demiurge who you say is so pro-GLBT is one of this boards current haters on trans people who has argued against them doing what they want with their bodies. I think it is pretty clear his prejudice comes from the teachings of his religion, and I keep saying that judaism is not a GLBT friendly belief, and they have never fully come out and denounced the teachings that homosexuality and transgenderism is wrong. They also teach sexism and that women are lesser than men. One could also make a real case that they also teach racism as the jewish race should be treated better than others. For instance, jews can only be kept as slaves for 7 years based upon the teachings of the torah. That is not a rule for the rest of us.

I understand many jewish people take a more evolved look at the torah in context of today's improving morality, but the whole argument of Isreal belonging tyo the jews now is very specifically a colonizer mentality called manifest destiny. It is the same reasoning that the roman catholics and protestand christians used to take and colonize every other place on earth. Jesus and god gave them the superior hand because he wanted them to have control of the world. Just because zionists are only using it on Isreal and the palestinians does not mean it is any different.

I do not expect either @Demiurge or @14thDoctor to be able to explain why referring to Isreal as colonizers is wrong when they clearly use the colonizer's rulebook as for why they must have that land, and are committing genocide like colonizers so often do.

Presidents of MIT, UPenn, and Harvard facing enormous criticism as none of them could answer simply that calls to genocide the Jewish people were violations of the code of conduct at their respective universities. Calls for genocide evidently depend on 'context' and aren't intended to harass, bully or intimidate Jewish students.

Talk about dropping a softball.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/investing/bill-ackman-harvard-penn-antisemitism/index.html

Again, the problem here being that in this case the people complaining about the calls for genocide are often being dramatic and exaggerating what was said if not outright lying about it.

The zionists have claimed that from the river to the sea palestine will be free is a call to genocide all jews. When you do shit like that you are trying to weaponize the authorities against a protestor.

Are there people in a pasionate rage saying we have to kill all the Isreali jews because of their crimes against the paslestinians? I would be shocked if there weren't, and if there weren't that would mean there was a much heavier oppression of speech than there is now. People are angry, and some people are angry at jews. beating them down is not going to make things better. I know you fuckheads want us to arrest and abuse any person who criticizes Isreal as some sort of jew hating terrorist, but that simply is not the case.

Your fucking dramatics are as obvious as the trumpanzees when they say the election was stolen from them and america is killing them all. Even jewish people are getting fucking sick of it at this point. These people who are talking about all this kill all the jews crap are full of shit.

There are real haters of jews out there who want to kill them. What happens when you conflate the protestors with them is you distract and consume the resources of the authorities to deal with the real threats while you make shit up. The guys who do the real thing know this and use your bitching as a smokescreen to get by security who is looking at what you are pointing out. What you do when you lie like this is make it easier for the real jew haters to threaten jewish people because you are making everyone focus on what is not a threat.

Seriously, do you think me, @Amaris , or even @RickDeckard are plotting against Isreal in any real way? However, if you had a cop here you would be presenting us as Hamas. The dramatics are only letting the real bad guys get away with murder. The biggest enemy to the jews around here is the fucksticks who are freaking the fuck out over words.

And speaking of which:
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/ar...lanned-to-target-a-jewish-site_6320589_7.html

Paris knife attacker had planned to target a Jewish site
Armand Rajabpour-Miyandoab was charged with terror offenses after killing one person and injuring two with a hammer and knife. He said he had initially considered carrying out his attack on a memorial garden near the Eiffel Tower in memory of Jewish children deported to Auschwitz.

Reports of mass executions now.

So of course, the real story is how western students might get their feelings hurt by slogans.

Indeed. The IDF dragged them out of a UN shelter, lined them up in the streets, stripped them down, paraded them on camera as Hamas, even though one has been positively identified as a bureau chief for a newspaper, and now there are reports coming in that they're being executed.



https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1732773146858512740

IDF soldiers assault Palestinian man with Down Syndrome.



https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1732663735406448717

Since you're a listing sack of shit I took the liberty of googling "Gaza executions," and I got some fascinating results.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...es-execute-five-palestinians-gaza-2022-09-04/

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/9/4/hamas-says-executed-5-palestinians-in-gaza

https://amp.theguardian.com/global-...-as-cover-to-step-up-executions-of-protesters

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1126021

How could those dastardly Zionists do this?

I fear you might be falling into the Castle Trap.

Neither you, this website, or what you do on this website matter.

At all.

No one is watching what is happening here.

No one cares what is happening here.

It isn’t Crossfire or some kind of televised debate stage.

All this place is is a VFW/American Legion/Eagles/Elks/Masons/Stonecutters/[insert local social club here] hall where us old folks still alive shuffle into to shoot the shit, share pics of our grandchildren and talk about the latest episode of Matlock or Murder She Wrote.

All you are doing is standing in the corner yelling obscenities and being tuned out by everyone when we aren’t rolling our eyes and cracking jokes about you.

Take your meds, calm down, come to the table and talk like a normal person if you want to be treated like a normal person.

Otherwise get used to the laughs.

IDF soldier assaulting a Palestinian boy.



https://twitter.com/harooncx7/status/1732795860487221745

I’ve always viewed it as the water cooler. Because I only come here while working, make snide remarks or give an opinion, then walk away. I could not care less about anyone laughing or making jokes at my expense.

And what was the boy doing before he was arrested? I thought you loved context?


I think it was last summer when a video came out of a cop in Edmonton randomly shoving a woman to the ground. So much outrage. Police brutality! Racism! Sexism!

Then it turned out she'd been walking around brandishing a knife that she refused to put down or put away, and pushing someone to the ground is the easiest way to make someone drop a knife without getting yourself stabbed in the process.

But go ahead, keep on changing the world and making a meaningful difference by posting this shit.