BritForge Weekly death count! :brit:

Though you can tell both peoples have the same state of dental care.

What do you expect? Nottingham's slowly been going to hell since you people supported the thief and socialist Robin Hood over the efforts of the Sheriff.

Leaving aside the usual argument vis-a-vis gunforge, is there some cultural, racial, class element common in the rise of violence there that's not discussed because it's politically incorrect?

(For instance, it's noted that if you take crimes committed by blacks out of the total number of crimes committed in the US, our nonviolent and violent crime rates would be not much different than Northern European countries. But though it's noted, no one talks about it in policy discussions.)

A wonderful argument for letting the LAW ABIDING PUBLIC have access to firearms if they so choose.

If your prisons are not deterrents then allowing the public to have use their GOD given right to self defense without fear of them going prison will be a Godsend to your country.

Criminals that know they are facing an armed public will go somewhere else, stop being criminals, or take their chances getting shot.

The prisons are full and all it does it just trains the thugs better or turn them in to Muslim extremists.

I'm all for turning the isle of wight in to one large super prison have have them breaking stones for the motorways.

Dan Leach disagrees: youd just be shot in the back and would never know what hit you

While that may be true, I'd still rather take my chances with the ability to defend myself, and any creature with at least one testicle or ovary (see: Anyone but Dan Leach) would do the same.

It would also give the Gov another reason to tax the shit out of us, can just see a Gun tax, then one for ammo and then they would force you to do a yearly license to own it.

You ever hear of background checks?

You simply pull the info from your crime files and everyone who has ever been convicted will not legally be able to buy a gun. They will have to continue to do what they are doing right now as you read this: Get guns illegally from the black market.

You have nothing to fear from letting the law abiding public have access to guns. The argument that no one wants to buy one is not a excuse and is used only by the ignorant (the Dan Leach's of the world) as an excuse to ban guns.

Most civilized countries used to exist at the whim of royalty and believed one's ship would fall into an infinite abyss if it sailed out too far.

Perhaps one day you lot will become enlightened... yet again.

SEE!

EVERYONE WINS!!!!

EXCEPT THE CRIMINALS!!!

This one is just a nice little bonus on top of your usual being wrong on stats, facts and such.

How do you figure someone is a criminal if they haven't been convicted of anything?

The neanderthals had their own line of evolution as well... before they were overtaken by their superiors and eventually ceased to exist.

Before the unwitty obvious comeback: you're the neanderthals.

You mean maybe we won't, one day, have 10,000 gun murders a week in Florida?

This whole quoted post is bullshit from start to finish.

It's not even worth it to respond to it because it's author is so ignorant that anything said against his post will be ignored and he will once again make up some bullshit statistic or line.

Christ al-fucking-mighty...

YOU CAN GET A GUN IN THIS COUNTRY, ALL YOU NEED IS A LICENCE WHICH THE POLICE ISSUE AFTER DOING CRIMINAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CHECKS. You don't even need that for an air gun.
How many more times do I need to post this? The youngest licence holder in Colchester is just 15: he passed all the police checks, he got his licence. Fact is, the vast majority of people in this country don't want guns.

I don't have a problem with anyone owning a gun legally. My father always had shotguns/handguns around the house when we were kids. He used to do smithying. I can guarantee he isn't a criminal or anyone with criminal intent!

My biggest issue would be that if guns were suddenly legalised; people in this country wouldn't know how to handle or store them responsibly.

From wiki on UK firearms law: "Since 1946, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a gun."

Are handguns legal in the UK?

answer from wiki: NO.

"But this new (No. 2) act banned the private ownership of all cartridge ammunition handguns, regardless of calibre." The only handguns to escape the ban were:

* Antique and Muzzle-loading black powder guns
* Guns of historic interest whose ammunition is no longer available ('Section 7.1' weapons)
* Guns of historic interest with current calibres ('Section 7.3' weapons)
* Air pistols
* Guns which fall outside the Home Office definition of "Handguns" (e.g. NSRA "Long Arms", and Long-Barreled Handguns both Small- and Full-bore), where their dimensions - usually barrel length, but also overall firearm length, rules them out of the Home Office definitions, so for legal purposes, they are treated as rifles."

Also from wiki: "This confined semiautomatic and pump-action centrefire rifles; military weapons firing explosive ammunition; short shotguns that had magazines; and both elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category.[12] Registration and secure storage of weapons held on shotgun certificates became required, and shotguns with more than a 2+1 capacity came to need a Firearms certificate. The law also introduced new restrictions on shotguns, although rifles in .22 rimfire and semi-automatic pistols were unaffected." (handguns were taken care of in 98)

So please Linda stop that bullshit argument that guns are not banned. Handguns are banned. Rifles are banned except for the single shot .22 rimfire type. Shotguns/.22 rifle can't be readily used for self defense because they have to be locked up and stored or be in violation of regulations.

We have this little thing in America called a classroom. It's used to teach people.

Amazing concept isn't it?

I didn't want to go here (for some for some of the reasons you state), and because this is purely anecdotal evidence, but the Mrs and I were talking about this a while back, and why it's geographicaly isolated to certain locations; locations that don't really have much to do with poverty.
Newcastle, her home town is, to be blunt, fucking poor. It has had its industrial heart ripped out and has more than its fair share of villans and ne'-er-do-well's, but has hardly any gun crime. There is a very good reason for that, because it has a very low young black population.
Nottingham, London, Bristol, Liverpool, Birmingham and parts of Manchester are the bad spots for gun crime and without pulling imaginary numbers out of my arse, it is largely black gang/drug related. FUBU gun crime as it were.

That's not to say they have the monopoly on violent crime as it seems honky does most of the stabby stabby stuff.

Yah, but I think they'd have to make it compulsory and tie it up with even more legal stuff.

Trouble is, a lot of people in the UK don't have any experience/know anyone with experience because of the restrictions that have been around for over a decade. In the US I'm guessing it is pretty easy to reel off a list of names of gun owners that you may know. So training would have to be formalised over here (at least initially), IMHO.

You have a few hundred thousand people who handle firearms and would know.

It's your military forces.