Liberals: You Are Now Allowed to Support Offshore Drilling

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  1. Ramen

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    Your Savior speaketh:

    Aren't you glad you can now support lower gasoline prices? :cool:
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    keywords "limited" and "consider".

    key phrase "if those states give permission."

    key phrase "establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."

    not "drill here, drill now, pay less"

    I really think the morons that bought land yachts when gas was cheap should be openly mocked. Much like those that bought McMansions on sub prime loans.

    Stupidity doesn't deserve redress whether it's half a million or 50 thousand purchase.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The Democratic nominee and leader of the party has just put offshore drilling back onto the table.

    This is a huge shift, the usual weasel words notwithstanding.
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    Thou shalt not presume to speaketh for thine savior. :nono:

    Go and be blessed.
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    To me it seems this is the same thing as McCain saying new taxes were still on the table.


    Each candidate is stating a willingness to compromise in order to actually get real shit done.
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    Well, "limited" and "consider" are better weasel words than we usually get from Obama. When he says "reasonable" it gives me fucking hives. :spaceturk:
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    There's no "leader of the party", that's why things are insane as they are right now.

    Nominally, Dean should be in charge, but Pelosi and Obama seem to be vying for power, with Clinton biding her time.
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    I can't wait for the press release stating that Obama is willing to consider limited 2nd Amendment rights for his flock. :pwease:
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    Powaqqatsi Haters gonna hate.

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    I don't have a problem with drilling per se. I just think that our undrilled lands may prove more useful in the future, when supply is even lower than it is now.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    A lot of the drill now cheering squad do seem a bit panicky.
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    I still would like to see this tied to some sort of mandatory investment in alternative energy infrastructure. Like many here have stated, without oil, we would be in the stoneage... We need to diversify where and how we get our energy.
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    They shall be smited by the half-breed hand of our Prophet. :mob:
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Hey, if Obama can have that kind of impact on right wingers, that's just one more reason to vote for him.
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    Obama would have the lock... if only he had went on secret recon missions in Vietnam. :chris:
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    So this drilling would be by the American govt and not a private company?
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    What's the difference? :bailey:[/quote]

    :walz:
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  18. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    No -- private drilling on public land. The drill squad demands that we give mineral rights to the oil industry and risk permanent damage to federal lands in order to shave a few cents off the gallon price.
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Then surely most of this oil would not end up in American gas tanks but would be sold onto the world market
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  20. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Close. It's actually the eco-freaks that love watching the American people suffer the expense of high gas prices rather than seeing private enterprise make inroads on their statist control of this country's land and resources.
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    You dont have enough oil to change the global price very much :shrug:
    Who do you think you are, Saudi Arabia? :D
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    So, when someone proposes conserving gas or electricity, I shouldn't do it, right? After all, I'm only one person, and, compared to the whole, my contribution is very little...

    (And, by the way, with the oil reserves we have access to along the coasts, in the gulf, in shale, and in Alaska, we could produce a tremendous amount of oil...)
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    why would you want to conserve gas or electricity? Because someone tells you? :unsure:

    Wouldn't it be to save money?

    It's all about money.

    In the case of drilling eco-sensitive areas it's putting easy money within reach of oil companies without benefiting consumers in the short term and harming them in the long term by fostering continued dependence on oil, the bulk of which will continue to be imported.

    But just keep chanting: drill here, drill now, pay less. If it makes you feel better.

    By the way, the oil that we'd make available to the international market by allowing easy access to coastal waters, and ANWR might double our proven reserves to about 40 billion barrels. Even if this were brought online, it wouldn't make a "tremendous" difference in world oil production. It would make a dent. And it wouldn't come close to filling the US needs even if we nationalized it.

    And no one has explained yet why oil companies aren't drilling the shit out of Canada with 170 billion in proven reserves (not counting tar sands). Why is gasoline so expensive in Canada?!
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    Do you even realize you're employing the same mindless rhetorical style as communism?
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    :shrug: Eh. It isn't that much money. Really not worth the hassle.
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    Well now that Obamessiah has spoken, it will be interesting to see how he fairs in leading the likes of Botox Pelosi, and Dingy Harry.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Kirk, I wonder, could you be a bit more crude?
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    KIRK1ADM Bored Being

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    I'm not sure that I can. But, don't worry, I'm not trying to beat you out in the area of being crude. ;)
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    There's no need to try -- you are a natural. I seriously wonder whether you could go a day without using personal insults to describe liberal politicians. Can you discuss politics in a civil manner? I strongly doubt it.
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