Why doesnt us army use rank of field marshel and navy grand admiral

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  1. Baba

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    Because a 5 star general brought several Field marshals to their knees baba.
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    During its early decades, the U.S. Army and Navy were reluctant to precisely duplicate or model themselves strictly along European lines. This also applied to the relative lack of medals and decorations in the early days.

    Such things were considered "too European".

    It was only in great combined alliances such as World War II that the "Five Star" level of generalship for the U.S. was commonly used to maintain equality with allied Field Marshals and Grand Admirals.
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    Because in WWII when it was obvious that an equivalent rank to Field Marshal was needed, the Army Chief of Staff, General Marshall, did not want to be called Field Marshal Marshall.
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    There are lots of Commodores in the United States Navy. It ain't a rank though... :clyde:
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    If Admiral Ackbar doesn't need to be Grand, then neither does anyone else.
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    Huh?! :blink:

    Please explain further.
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    The US Navy wanted to promote me to Grand Admiral.

    Someone apparently thought it would be amusing to have a glowing blue Grand Admiral and call him Thrawn.

    The idea was quickly vetoed, however. Apparently Secretary Rumsfeld's ego feared competition. He wanted to be the only one addressed as "Milord".
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    Back during the Civil War era and earlier, medals and decorations were relatively rare.

    Instead the armed forces gave IIRC what they called "brevet ranks" or promotions that rewarded service by giving higher brevet ranks (and thus pay) to heroic officers.
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    I guess it was smart not to hand out medals for killing Native Americans. :marathon:
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    What don't you get? They didn't give out many medals until after the US Civil War.
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    There's also the saying that during WWII FDR's admin there was concern about creating confusion when it was reported that Field Marshall Marshall's forces were engaging the Germans in France.
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    I'd think both are myths. "General of the Armies of the United States" was given to Pershing and created for Washington. Dewey had "Admiral of the Navy".
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    But even Pershing refused to wear more than four stars.
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    And if he retired and became a small town sheriff his deputy could whine "Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!"
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    Oldfella when I become president I will make you a 4 star general. :)
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